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Meeting of the Parliament 27 March 2019

27 Mar 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Climate Emergency
Martin, Gillian SNP Aberdeenshire East Watch on SPTV

We know that we have a global climate crisis. As a historical contributor to global warming, Scotland has a responsibility to be at the heart of how we mitigate its effects.

I feel strongly that, in response to the climate strikes, we have a responsibility to open the Parliament’s doors a little wider and to involve the young people who took to the streets to make their voices heard, and I am glad that the Green motion specifically mentions those young people. Some of the climate strikers are coming into the Parliament on Tuesday next week to talk to the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee about the kind of society that they believe Scotland has to be if we are to play our part in reducing emissions. Asking for change is the easy part; determining the pathways is the challenge, and it is our job to involve young people in those decisions. I have arranged for the climate strikers also to be in the public gallery as we debate stage 1 of the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill.

If the status quo is not an option as we try to reach the ambitious emissions targets that the Scottish Government has set, how should our way of life change? As we decide on radical changes—as we must do—how do we make sure that those changes do not spell economic disaster for communities and leave behind the people who can least afford to adapt, such as people in rural communities who have limited access to public transport and people who live in rented accommodation and have no power to decide how they heat their home?

I have spoken many times before about the just transition issues in the latter part of the Green motion and the extraction of oil and gas. It is no secret that my area of the north-east of Scotland largely relies on the oil and gas industry and I do not think that it is hyperbolic to say that if we turned off the taps of the oil and gas industry, we would potentially destroy the north-east economy and many lives with it.

It should be noted that the majority of jobs in oil and gas are not in production; they are in exploration. [Interruption.] I do not know whether someone wants to make an intervention or that was just a lot of noise. I see that the Greens are not making an intervention; they just made a noise, which put me off, so I will carry on.

A couple of years ago, we had a taste of what might happen, when thousands of people lost their livelihoods because of the global oil price crash. I caught my breath today as figures came out from my area relating to the huge surges in food-bank use, as people have fallen out of work and fallen foul of the United Kingdom welfare system. The climate crisis is real, but the solution is not to shut off an entire sector; the solution is to use the sector’s products differently. We are talking about putting hundreds of thousands of livelihoods at stake, but also about workers with expertise who could lead us into a low-carbon, renewables and carbon capture and storage future if the transition is managed appropriately.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-16555, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on climate emergency. I invite members who wish to speak in the debat...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
We have just over 10 years to act to avoid climate catastrophe. That was the stark warning that emerged in October, following publication of the Intergovernm...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Does Alison Johnstone accept that extracting oil and gas has no impact whatsoever on the climate? It is what we do with them after we have extracted them tha...
Alison Johnstone Green
Stewart Stevenson will be aware that more than 90 per cent of the oil and gas that we currently extract is burned. I appreciate that there are other uses for...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I will follow up on Stewart Stevenson’s intervention. How does Alison Johnstone propose to replace the 135,000 jobs and £9.2 billion that the offshore oil an...
Alison Johnstone Green
I can point Mr Kerr to a report on green jobs in the economy. It is based on sound research and shows that 200,000 jobs could be created in a green jobs tran...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
I start by saying that the Scottish Government recognises the urgency of the global climate challenge. Nobody in the chamber would dispute that part of the G...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Is one of the Scottish Government’s actions to continue to implore the UK Government to give further tax breaks to oil and gas companies?
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I will come back to the point about oil and gas later in my speech. We are taking action through our Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland)...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Green motion does not suggest that we switch off oil and gas production tomorrow. It “calls on the Scottish Government to recognise that the policy of m...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
My concern is with what the motion implies. We need to work with the sector, and I will come back to that point when I talk about the just transition commiss...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Today’s motion speaks of a “climate emergency”, which is exactly what we face. Last year’s IPCC report laid that out for all of us too see. Around the globe,...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Does Maurice Golden accept the hypocrisy that is inherent in a Government providing money to other countries to mitigate the impacts of the climate crisis wh...
Maurice Golden Con
No. I think that it is quite right for the UK Government to support work in developing countries to tackle climate change. When I was in Nepal last year, I s...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity presented by the Green motion to celebrate the bravery of young people around the world in striking for their right to a clean and ...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Will the member give way on that point?
Claudia Beamish Lab
I do not have time—I am sorry. Our amendment highlights the fact that the natural world is a vital helping hand in balancing the climate emissions that are ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Mark Ruskell for enabling this appetiser for next week’s stage 1 debate on the Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill. I am sor...
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
Does the member recognise that Lord Pentland, in his determination on the legal case, made reference to the fact that the process is still under way, which i...
Liam McArthur LD
I hear what the minister is saying, but the incongruence between what the First Minister was saying in this chamber and what her lawyers were saying in court...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
No. I do not have time. There is a transition to be made, absolutely. Activity in that regard is already happening and can and should be accelerated. Moreov...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We turn to the open debate, with speeches of four minutes. We have no time in hand, I am afraid. 16:23
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
We know that we have a global climate crisis. As a historical contributor to global warming, Scotland has a responsibility to be at the heart of how we mitig...
Andy Wightman Green
As I mentioned previously in an intervention on the minister’s speech, Mark Ruskell’s motion “calls on the Scottish Government to recognise that the policy ...
Gillian Martin SNP
To be honest, if I had known that Andy Wightman was going to repeat what he has already said, I would not have wasted the valuable time that I have for my sp...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Conclude, please.
Gillian Martin SNP
If we are truly serious about playing our part in tackling climate change, we need to engage all sectors in contributing innovation around low-carbon alterna...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Peter Chapman. I am afraid that no extra time will be given to him if he takes an intervention. 16:28
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Thank you for that advice, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to speak in this Green Party debate. I am certain that we all agree that climate cha...