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Meeting of the Parliament 27 March 2019

27 Mar 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Climate Emergency
Gougeon, Mairi SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

I will come back to the point about oil and gas later in my speech.

We are taking action through our Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill, which would see Scotland have the toughest climate change legislation anywhere in the world. The bill contains the most ambitious statutory targets for 2020, 2030 and 2040 of any country in the world, and it will mean that Scotland is carbon neutral by 2050. The scientific report that was published by the IPCC last October states the need for the world to be carbon neutral by 2050 and, with our bill, that is exactly where Scotland will be.

We have been clear that we want to go further and achieve net zero emissions for all greenhouse gases as soon as possible. In light of the IPCC report, we asked our independent statutory advisers, the UK Committee on Climate Change, for updated advice on our new targets. That advice is due on 2 May and if it states that Scotland can now credibly set even more ambitious targets, that is exactly what the Scottish Government will do. If it advises that 90 per cent remains the limit of feasibility for now, the bill allows a net zero date to be set for all greenhouse gases.

This is such an important issue that I am not surprised at the pressure for action that we have seen recently, particularly from our young people. A lot of that was inspired by Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg, who has been nominated for a Nobel peace prize for the work that she has done. Young people staged climate strikes across the world; as Alison Johnstone mentioned, we saw a huge turnout here at the Scottish Parliament just a couple of weeks ago.

Yesterday, the First Minister met some of the students to discuss their concerns and the actions that we are taking. It is only right that they push us for strong action and that we take the time to listen to them. Although I was not able to attend the strike at Parliament a couple of weeks ago, I will be meeting students from Mearns academy in my constituency who attended on that day.

I believe that we have taken the most ambitious, pragmatic and responsible approach possible. The issue will be discussed in more detail next week as we reach stage 1 consideration of the bill.

It is vital that Scotland’s transition to carbon neutrality happens in a way that is fair to all. A just transition has not been achieved during previous major industrial shifts in Scotland, such as the move away from coal. That is why I take issue with the part of the Green motion that relates to the oil and gas sector. Suddenly ending production would have an absolutely massive impact on communities and jobs, especially in the north-east of Scotland and in constituencies such as mine, Angus North and Mearns, where thousands of people depend on the sector. Doing that would also not help to reduce greenhouse gas emissions globally, because we would become reliant on imports until we were able to reduce the demand for oil and gas in Scotland.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
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Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
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Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
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Alison Johnstone Green
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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
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Mairi Gougeon SNP
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Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
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Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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Will the member give way?
Liam McArthur LD
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The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
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Andy Wightman Green
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Gillian Martin SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Conclude, please.
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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