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Meeting of the Parliament 21 March 2019

21 Mar 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform

It is timely that the Scottish Government has lodged the motion for debate today, because it gives us an opportunity to reflect on what has been achieved in land reform. It also allows us to set out just how much more remains to be done to bring about fundamental change to the inequitable and unjust land ownership patterns that still exist in Scotland.

I am proud that it was Scottish Labour that introduced bills, shortly after the creation of this Parliament, that opened the door to radical changes in how we consider land ownership. One bill brought changes to end the still-lingering feudal powers that were associated with land, and the other firmly established in law the community right to buy and the right to roam freely and responsibly.

I, too, welcome the growth in community ownership that found new momentum following the passing of Labour’s Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003, which was supported by the Scottish National Party and other parties in Parliament. As a result of the movement towards greater community land ownership, we have heard those communities speak more confidently to reflect their experience of the law and how it has needed to develop, and to argue for further change in our land laws.

The work of Community Land Scotland in arguing on behalf of communities should be recognised today. As the minister said, there is much to celebrate in what community ownership delivers. There are signs of optimism for a sustainable future in places where it has, at times, seemed that there was no future. The growth in interest in land and other asset ownership in rural and urban Scotland is moving rapidly.

Every acre of land that has come into community ownership is a welcome acre, but at the current rate of progress, in 100 years the vast majority of land in Scotland will still be in the same ownership patterns that have endured for centuries. If we believe in greater social justice and a fairer Scotland, which many Scots claim they do, we can succeed in achieving that aim only with significant land reform.

Is it socially just that so few own so much land, that so many young people cannot find land or afford housing in their own communities, or that the whims of a few landowners can limit economic opportunity for the many? Is it socially just that so many people in our urban realm are consigned to living their lives next to vacant or derelict land with no environmental quality, or that our land markets operate such that only the privileged few and the wealthy elite can participate? Is it socially just that the land uses and environment of vast areas are decided by only one or two people, or that communities are denied the right to a sustainable future by virtue of the control that others can exercise?

For Labour, land reform is about community and about communities being empowered to take more control over their economic, social and environmental destiny. It is about the public interest. It is also, for Labour, a fundamental matter of justice: it is about the balance of power shifting from the few to the many, and the opportunity and wealth that can flow from ownership of one of our most fundamental assets—our land—being shared more equally among our people.

Land reform is one of the means through which to realise Labour’s vision of wider and more radical redistribution of power and wealth. It is a sad truth that, as matters stand, neither the current nor any previous land reform minister has had the powers to ask formally whether our current land arrangements act in the public interest. Communities that want to own land have to show that their interest in the land will serve the public interest and they have to gain, by democratic means, the consent of the people in the community for the land to be owned by the community.

Given the way in which Scotland’s land markets work, private owners need simply have a big enough cheque book—one man is in the process of becoming Scotland’s largest land owner by buying up estate after estate in the Highlands. As the cabinet secretary highlighted, in this, as in so much else, Scotland’s land laws fall far short of what other nations can do through long-established intervention powers to look after the public interest in land matters.

Land justice is part of delivering social justice. There should be limits to how much land can be owned by one person—a difficult issue, but Scottish Labour supports such a limit—or other ownership arrangement, unless it can be shown to work in the public interest and for the common good. Many landholdings in Scotland are, in effect, local land monopolies, and in many aspects of our national life we regulate monopolies to ensure that they cannot exploit their power against the public interest.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
I ask members to shift their seats quickly. The next item is a debate on motion S5M-16445, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on land reform in Scotland. 1...
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
Land reform is a subject that has been relevant to Scotland for several hundred years, and I have to say that it sometimes seems as though I have been talkin...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Land ownership is totally unbalanced in Scotland. If we move towards the purchase of smaller amounts of land, how will we change the fact that 50 per cent of...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
If Rhoda Grant listens to the rest of my speech, she will understand the direction of travel. We also want to reflect the importance of urban community owner...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Before I start, I refer members to my entry in the register of interests, which says that I am a partner in a farming partnership. I also own land. I hope t...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
Mr Mountain says that we should not obsess over who owns land, and that it is how it is used and managed that matters. Why, then, is the landed class and ind...
Edward Mountain Con
I think that the people I employ are happy that I look after and manage my business in the way that I work it, as it gives them a job and creates prosperity ...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I am going to make a bit of time. I will perhaps let the member intervene if there is an opportunity later. I want to look at some of the comments in the ...
Gillian Martin SNP
My point is not the one that I was going to make when I tried to intervene earlier. How would Edward Mountain react to another case that was mentioned in the...
Edward Mountain Con
I cannot look at an example without its being substantiated. That is the problem with the report. Ms Martin will be well aware that sometimes when people are...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is timely that the Scottish Government has lodged the motion for debate today, because it gives us an opportunity to reflect on what has been achieved in ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Claudia Beamish Lab
No—I am sorry. I have not got time. I have very few minutes. It is time for a powerful land regulator to examine whether existing ownership helps or hinders...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for this timely debate. As she noted, land reform is a difficult process to deal with. As the Government motion hints,...
Edward Mountain Con
I hardly think that that is my “common theme”, Presiding Officer. To quote the Land Commission’s report, it gives a “Summary of Macro Themes Identified in t...
Andy Wightman Green
I confess that I have not read the report in enough detail to come to a conclusive view on that. I suspect that that might be a selective reading of what is ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
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The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
We move on to the open debate. 15:50
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Since the passing of the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill in 2003, we have had a chance to reflect on whether Scotland’s communities are thriving as a result. In ...
Edward Mountain Con
I remember reading that part of the report, which relates to a factor sitting at the front of a meeting and taking notes. One person found that intimidating....
Gillian Martin SNP
Unlike Edward Mountain, who seems to be dismissive of some people’s testimony, I have read the whole testimony—
Edward Mountain Con
It was one person.
Gillian Martin SNP
When one person comes to my constituency surgery and says that they have a problem with someone, I do not ask how many other people are affected or for proof...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in this debate a week after I spoke in Andy Wightman’s members’ business debate on who owns Scotland. The subject of land reform in Sco...
Andy Wightman Green
The member expresses concern about the report’s title. Does he accept that there are issues associated with large-scale and concentrated land ownership in Sc...
Finlay Carson Con
Not at all. There are some issues, but the report should have been balanced and should have recognised that there are some benefits to be gained from large-s...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome today’s debate on land reform in Scotland and agree with the cabinet secretary that land is one of Scotland’s most important assets. It is because ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
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John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
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