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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 12 March 2019

12 Mar 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fair Work

The Fraser of Allander institute defines fair work as

“work that offers effective voice, opportunity, security, fulfilment and respect.”

Those benefits underpin one another. Employees who can make their voice heard are more likely to feel fulfilled by their work and respected in the workplace. The institute is clear that

“fair work leads to better quality and more fulfilling jobs.”

That is why I am pleased to welcome the publication of the Government’s “Fair Work Action Plan” as the next step in the process of creating fair working conditions for everyone in Scotland. We must certainly continue to move forward on the matter at this time, when zero-hours contracts are prevalent among the jobs of the younger generation—although they are not exclusively found among our young people’s jobs—and when some employers remain resistant to paying the real living wage.

Further, it remains the case that a woman’s earnings over her lifetime are likely to be lower than those of her male colleagues. The UK has the ninth-highest gender pay gap of Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development countries—the gap between the average earnings of women and the average earnings of men is a shocking 16.5 per cent. We can do better. The gap in Denmark is just 5.7 per cent and, in New Zealand, it is 7.2 per cent.

It is clear that the Government is making progress on the fair work agenda, but I am sure that we would all agree that much more remains to be done. Everyone deserves to be paid a wage that lifts them out of poverty, and no one should be paid less because of their gender.

The Greens have persistently called for Government business support services—including grants and loans—to apply ethical criteria including payment of the real living wage, no use of exploitative contracts, union recognition and no tax avoidance or use of tax havens. Our 2016 manifesto pledged that the Greens would campaign to make Government business support available only to companies that plan to pay the real living wage, to avoid zero-hours contracts, to recognise trade unions, to reduce the gap between the highest and lowest paid, to pay women and men equally and to be environmentally responsible. Indeed, we were pleased that the Government backed our amendment calling for such conditions to be set during a similar debate in May 2017. I am pleased that those have been incorporated into the fair work action plan.

The fair work first programme will impose a new set of criteria for businesses to meet when applying for Government grants and business support. The plan states that, for an employer to be eligible for Government business support, it must commit to investing in skills and training, taking action to close the gender pay gap, paying the real living wage and enhancing workforce engagement.

In the past, the Scottish Government has been resistant to our calls to place additional ethical criteria on business grants and loans, and has preferred the approach of paving the high road by rewarding the good behaviour of businesses rather than by blocking the low road that is taken by poorly behaving businesses.

However, that approach is limited. Yes, there will always be businesses that genuinely want to do the right thing but might just need a bit of help to make it financially viable—for example, by building the initial costs of a living wage policy into their financial planning, but there will also always be businesses that find it beneficial to push exploitation as far as they can get away with, and regulation and enforcement will be needed to steer such businesses on to the high path. I like to think that when those businesses are steered on to that high path they, too, will become convinced of the benefits of such practice.

Limiting our focus to incentivising good behaviour by employers will not help us to create the conditions for fair work across our economy. We recognise that the Scottish Government does not have control over all the policy levers, given that regulation of employment remains reserved. The attachment of fair work standards to Government-funded grants, loans and businesses is, however, an important step, for which we have been calling for years. The Green amendment welcomes progress in that regard and goes further by asking—again—that we take a wider look at our economy and move beyond the ideological fixation on delivering economic growth. We must look at non-growth wellbeing factors, including health and job security. I will expand on that in my closing speech.

On the other amendments, I welcome Labour’s call to look at how fair work conditions can be improved through procurement processes. However, for as long as we do not have full control over Scotland’s economy, we cannot progress that. Also, it is unreasonable not to acknowledge the positive steps that have been taken to strengthen the fair work agenda in the most recent action plan. We agree with Labour on the need to go further and faster, but we want the commitment to achieving fair work standards by 2025 to remain in the motion that is agreed to.

The Conservatives cite the UK’s “Good Work Plan” in their amendment. There are positive developments in that plan, but it represents a failure to use the powers of regulation and enforcement that are available to the UK Government but not to the Scottish Government. The plan also comes from a Government that introduced a scam national living wage—

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-16257, in the name of Jamie Hepburn, on working to make Scotland a fair work nation by 2025. I encourage ...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
Almost a year ago, the Parliament was able to affirm, by backing a motion in my name, its support for the independent fair work convention’s ambition to make...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I agree with all of the minister’s ambitions on this subject, but can he tell us why progress to get businesses to sign up to the business pledge has been so...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I recognise that not enough businesses have signed up to the business pledge, which is why we have committed to refreshing it. I will come to that later, bec...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I welcome what the minister has said, but why did the Government reject such proposals when they were put forward by Labour during the progress of the Procur...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I find that an extraordinary intervention from a party whose leader just this weekend said that he now supports the devolution of employment law to the Scott...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
People should be treated fairly in the workplace. Our laws recognise that, in taking up a job, employees have certain rights that are inalienable and which c...
Neil Findlay Lab
Mr Halcro Johnston talks about disabled people’s rights. Will he reflect on his Government’s treatment of disabled people, particularly through the benefits ...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
As the member knows, there are more disabled people working now than there were before. When we have such conversations, the same questions come from Labour ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Please draw to a close.
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
It is often in that sector that we have seen the slowest response to change, given the increased pressures. I am sure that encouraging fairness at work will...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests. I commend the Scottish Government on its recent agreement with the three civil service un...
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the member agree that the fact that a business has not signed up to the pledge does not mean that it is not enacting its contents?
Richard Leonard Lab
Yes, but getting businesses to sign up to the pledge is a specific Government goal, and the fact that only half a percentage point have done so is, in my vie...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
As much as I am thoroughly enjoying Richard Leonard’s dissemination of all the woes and strife that exist in Scotland right now, each and every party in this...
Richard Leonard Lab
I hope that my remarks are a contribution to the discussion about how we progress this issue. In truth, the landscape of public procurement under the SNP’s w...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Fraser of Allander institute defines fair work as “work that offers effective voice, opportunity, security, fulfilment and respect.” Those benefits und...
Jamie Halcro Johnston Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Ms Johnstone is closing.
Alison Johnstone Green
I have 20 seconds left. The scam living wage is significantly below the real living wage and applies only to older workers, thus increasing exploitation of ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I find it difficult to concentrate on the debate this afternoon, while the UK Parliament is utterly paralysed, the Prime Minister’s deal is clearly stone dea...
Neil Findlay Lab
I understand that Willie Rennie’s thoughts are elsewhere. Would not it be great if the people of the UK had a say in a general election, with a Labour Govern...
Willie Rennie LD
I commend Neil Findlay for his cheek in that intervention. We support the general aims of the Scottish Government’s fair work agenda. Who can be against gre...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
I want to provide absolute clarity. We are talking about the beginning of the rolling out of the fair work first principles, not a pilot. We have said that w...
Willie Rennie LD
I stand corrected; I thought that the minister had referred to a pilot. He still did not say, however, how many businesses will be covered in the first insta...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Speeches should be of absolutely no more than six minutes, because we have very little time in hand. 15:23
Annabelle Ewing (Cowdenbeath) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be called to speak in this afternoon’s debate on the important subject of fair work and, more specifically, on the Scottish Government’s rece...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
On the aspiration to be a fair work nation, how does Annabelle Ewing feel about the prospect of achieving the Scottish Government’s target of 30,000 more peo...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
If the Labour Party had not blocked the devolution of employment powers to this Parliament, the workers who lost out as a direct result of that intransigence...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me, Ms Ewing. I say to members that it is very rude to have cross-bench conversations when someone is speaking.