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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 18 December 2018

18 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Repayments) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Regan, Ash SNP Edinburgh Eastern Watch on SPTV

I am very pleased to be here to open the debate on the general principles of the Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Bill. I thank the convener and members of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee for their insightful scrutiny at stage 1 of what is quite a technical, detailed and, in places, complex bill. I welcome the committee’s positive support for the general principles of the bill, as set out in its report.

I also put on the record my thanks to the Finance and Constitution Committee and the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee for their additional scrutiny and consideration. Like the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, I am grateful to all those who provided evidence on the bill. Finally, I thank the Government Actuary’s Department, whose analysis and expertise have been invaluable in informing the bill.

For some time, the personal injury discount rate has been the subject of criticism. Prior to 2017, pursuers’ representatives expressed concern that the rate was, in effect, undercompensating pursuers, and a judicial review was sought. Since the most recent change, there has been criticism from defenders’ representatives and insurers, on the basis that setting the rate by reference to returns on index-linked gilts intrinsically overcompensates many pursuers. There have also been concerns that the duration between reviews has contributed to the scale of the impact of changes, as well as concerns about a general lack of transparency in the process.

When we consulted on the issue in 2017 and asked whether the law on how the discount rate is set should be changed, 78 per cent of respondents agreed that a change is necessary. During the various consultations, common concerns emerged to do with the fairness, clarity, certainty, regularity and credibility of the method and process for setting the rate.

The bill attempts to address those points. It will put in place a new statutory regime for calculating the discount rate that should be applied to future pecuniary losses in personal injury cases. In providing new methodology, the bill requires the Government Actuary’s Department to assume that the damages that are awarded for future loss will be invested in a notional investment portfolio, comprising set classes of investment asset. The portfolio has been designed to meet the objectives and match the characteristics of the “hypothetical investor”, as identified in the bill.

It is encouraging that, in its stage 1 report, the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee said:

“the Committee welcomes the additional clarity and transparency provided by having the method for calculating the discount rate set out in legislation.”

The committee noted that that view was shared by most of the respondents to its call for evidence.

As the bill stands, the rate will be reviewed every three years. Currently, there is no statutory requirement for the discount rate to be reviewed regularly. It is clear that the lack of a regular review is detrimental to all parties. Most consultees agreed that the rate should be reviewed on occasions specified in legislation.

The Scottish Government took account of respondents’ views and decided that a review should be carried out every three years, with the possibility of a review being instigated sooner than that, if circumstances require it. Such an approach will provide a significant degree of certainty, tempered with a proportionate degree of flexibility.

Stakeholders suggested that a three-year review period might mean that settlement of cases would be delayed if one of the parties anticipated that a more favourable rate would come into force, and argued that a five-year review period would go some way towards addressing that issue.

The Scottish Government’s view is that it is imperative that reviews are regular. In its stage 1 report, the committee said:

“the Committee believes—in the interests of finding that balance between flexibility and certainty—that five years would be preferable to three.”

As I said in my response to the report, we listened carefully to the people who gave evidence and we considered the committee’s conclusion. I agree with that conclusion. We will lodge an amendment at stage 2 to alter the frequency of review from every three years to every five years. The facility to call for an out-of-cycle review will, of course, remain.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15169, in the name of Ash Denham, on the Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) ...
The Minister for Community Safety (Ash Denham) SNP
I am very pleased to be here to open the debate on the general principles of the Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Bill. I than...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I accept the minister’s point, in broad terms. Will she give some detail about the out-of-cycle review? In a five-year period, assumptions around investments...
Ash Denham SNP
Daniel Johnson makes a good point. The general point is that the rate must meet the needs of the hypothetical investor and ensure that they get the right amo...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The committee had concerns about the fact that the court could impose on a pursuer who, for various reasons, might not want a continuing relationship with th...
Ash Denham SNP
We have taken account of that. We recognise that there are many reasons why a PPO might not be suitable for a pursuer or a defender, but we think that the co...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Gordon Lindhurst to speak on behalf of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee for up to eight minutes. 15:48
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
I trust that all members present have read our stage 1 report, which is a classic of the genre. Neil Findlay is not present on this occasion to ask me a ques...
Dean Lockhart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank those who provided submissions on the bill and the witnesses who attended the three Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee sessions that were dedica...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I thank the member for giving way. I accept some of what he is saying, but does he not accept that the language being used—the talk of a portfolio of balance...
Dean Lockhart Con
The member makes a fair point. That is why the further adjustments that we will come to—such as the 0.5 per cent deduction to pay for professional advice in ...
John Mason SNP
Will the member accept that it is inevitable that some people will be undercompensated and some will be overcompensated? It is not possible to exactly compen...
Dean Lockhart Con
That is a fair point to make, although the vast majority of the evidence sided with the probability that overcompensation would be the likely result of these...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Dean Lockhart Con
I am literally about to wrap up. The Damages (Investment Returns and Periodical Payments) (Scotland) Bill is technical, but it is vitally important for thos...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank the clerks and members of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee for their excellent work at stage 1 of the Damages (Investment Returns an...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
We move to the open part of the debate. Members have a generous four minutes for speeches. 16:09
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
The bill has been more interesting than I think that some committee members might have anticipated. The bill may affect a relatively small number of people, ...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I, along with my colleagues, welcome this stage 1 debate on the bill. Suffering personal injury is never expected. No one ever wants to have to claim compens...
Angela Constance (Almond Valley) (SNP) SNP
Although the number of people who are directly affected by the bill is small, the bill is nonetheless crucial. We should always remember whose interests are ...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
As a member of the Economy, Energy and Fair Work Committee, which scrutinised the bill, I am grateful to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. Four mi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you five minutes.
Jackie Baillie Lab
Oh, my goodness! I cannot guarantee that my arguments will be any more elegant. Let me cut to the chase and focus on two areas: the discount rate and periodi...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I have not been involved with the bill thus far, but I want to develop a number of its aspects; Jackie Baillie has touched on them already. The committee’s ...
John Mason SNP
Will the member give way?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
I will give way to somebody who knows more than I do about that matter.
John Mason SNP
The committee received evidence—I do not know whether the member would agree with it—that perhaps the investment cost would be higher at the beginning and lo...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
I am absolutely sure that the member is correct, but that goes to the heart of how the compensation is provided: whether it is paid in a lump sum up front or...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I will helpfully supply Stewart Stevenson with the discount rate that he was looking for. The Association of Personal Injury Lawyers supplied us with it: it ...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
That is broadly what I would have expected, so I am obliged to the member for that. Investors come in all shapes and forms. Over the years, with my wife, I ...