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Meeting of the Parliament 15 January 2019

15 Jan 2019 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Carbon-neutral Economy (Just Transition)

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I welcome today’s debate and the Government motion, and I agree with the cabinet secretary that we can tackle climate change and grow the economy.

The recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5°C delivers a sobering assessment of what lies in store for humanity if we fail to combat climate change, with tens of millions of people around the world facing drought, billions being subjected to extreme temperatures and biodiversity being dealt a devastating blow.

Scotland would not be spared: communities here would face increased flood risk. Our coastal towns, villages and homes would be threatened with oblivion—and that is before we consider the impact on our flora and fauna. Scotland is making progress, though, and our overall emissions are down by almost 50 per cent from 1990 levels, which is something that we can all welcome. However, progress has been lopsided: although we have seen our energy and waste sectors decarbonising, other areas—for example, transport—have seen little or no change.

More needs to be done if we are to meet future targets, but we must ensure that we are taking action that creates opportunities, rather than burdens and barriers, for individuals and businesses. The low-carbon future that we all want should be a future in which we all benefit.

Unfortunately, it has not always been the case that take such action. We should, for example, be proud of the remarkable growth in renewables that has allowed many communities across Scotland to access new funding streams to improve infrastructure and services. However, Scotland missed out on a massive opportunity when 20,000 low-carbon jobs that could have been created here in Scotland did not materialise. Our missing out on those jobs is a lesson that we should learn from, as we seek to establish a deposit return scheme and to decommission more North Sea oil and gas facilities.

Arguably, the oil and gas sector is most emblematic of the need to ensure a fair transition to a low-carbon economy. As the just transition partnership has pointed out,

“There has been little planning to ensure the protection of the people most affected, in particular those who work in sectors reliant on fossil fuels”.

That will not be achieved by tinkering around at the edges of our current system. We need a new model that is fairer, more sustainable and intrinsically better for our environment.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15380, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on securing a just transition to a carbon-neutral economy. 14:26
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I have great pleasure in opening this debate on Scotland’s transition to a carbon-neutral economy, which is the first such debate for the Parliament. I expec...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Is the cabinet secretary aware that, largely as a result of President Obama’s efforts, there are 800,000 people in the renewables industry in the United Stat...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I am not sure that I was aware of the specific numbers of people in those employment sectors in America, but I was aware of the general sense that coal plays...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests. I welcome today’s debate and the Government motion, and I agree with the cabinet secretary...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Does Maurice Golden agree that perhaps the oil and gas companies could do a little bit more to invest in renewable energies and to fund research and developm...
Maurice Golden Con
I agree that oil and gas companies could do a lot more, even in terms of helping us to decommission and to get the most value from decommissioning. For examp...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This debate on just transition principles is very significant for the fair future of Scotland’s economy and society in the global context. My party will supp...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Claudia Beamish Lab
Very briefly—this is an important part of the debate.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
There is time for interventions, Ms Beamish. I call Stewart Stevenson.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Given that Claudia Beamish advocates a parliamentary line of responsibility, does she expect the appropriate member of the corporate body to be the person wh...
Claudia Beamish Lab
I understand Stewart Stevenson’s point, about which there is a debate to be had. It is important that the commission is independent of Government—there is pr...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
How we respond to the climate emergency while guaranteeing the economic security and wellbeing of everyone in our society is surely the most pressing issue o...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Today’s just transition debate enshrines the importance of building a fairer and more equal society while transitioning away from carbon-dependent industries...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, I have been generous. I ask you to conclude, please.
Tavish Scott LD
I hope that other members will back the Labour and Tory amendments, but I will not be backing the Green amendment.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
As members will have guessed, there is some time in hand for interventions, so I can be a bit elastic on the six minutes, but not so elastic that it snaps—me...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
I want a low-carbon future, I want Scotland to play its full part in the fight against climate change and I want to have spent my time as a representative in...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
As I did in my speech last week, I will start on a positive note and commend Scotland for performing well on reducing its greenhouse gas emissions, which has...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance, Economy and Fair Work (Derek Mackay) SNP
Does Alexander Burnett accept that the Scottish Government has tried to give as much stability and certainty as possible? The Cabinet Secretary for the Rural...
Alexander Burnett Con
The best way of getting certainty would be to back the Prime Minister’s Brexit deal tonight. Interruption. It is hypocrisy for Scottish National Party member...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I understand why members turn around to listen to members behind them, but they should not spend the entire speech with their back to the chair.
Maurice Golden Con
It was enthralling, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You might have found it enthralling, Mr Golden, but it was a discourtesy. It was not a discussion. I was not going to name you, Mr Golden, but now I will. Mr...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Let us hope that I say nothing to annoy you too much. Exactly 10 years ago, I was at the 14th conference of the parties—COP 14...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Last month, hundreds of energy workers and employers came together at a breakfast briefing in Aberdeen to consider how Scotland’s existing energy industries ...
Joan McAlpine (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate. If we are to have a just transition to a carbon-neutral economy, we all need to be more honest in how we d...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, specifically with regard to residential housing, renewable energy and farming. I welcome ...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
It is fair to say that the IPCC’s 1.5°C special report, which was published last October, was a wake-up call for all of us—and if it was not, it should have ...