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Meeting of the Parliament 19 December 2018

19 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Water Charges (Single-person Households)
Carson, Finlay Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

My speech completely misjudges the tone of the debate, but I will continue.

I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing this important subject to the chamber. As the member for the rural constituency of Galloway and West Dumfries, I am acutely aware of my many rural constituents who live alone, some through choice but many not through choice. Age Scotland’s briefing ahead of the debate highlighted how, over the next 25 years, the number of older people who are expected to live alone is expected to rise by 50 per cent. It is those people who will be hit by the proposal. That is one reason why the proposal by Scottish Water to reduce the single occupancy discount from 25 to 10 per cent is misguided and needs to be addressed.

It is beyond belief to suggest that single occupancy and vacant homes use as much water as a fully occupied house. There is every reason to maintain the discounts, given the people who will be most affected by the proposed change. However, it is not beyond belief that the proposal is nothing more than an attempt to increase by stealth council taxes on single occupancy homes and vacant properties. Council tax is already a progressive system and people who are on low incomes rightly receive discounts. The proposal demonstrates, once again, that under this Scottish National Party Government, hard-working taxpayers will pay more and get less. Rural users will also be disproportionately hit, which is not insignificant because of another issue facing my constituency—connectivity—which is still a major issue throughout rural areas.

Age Scotland has pointed out that many people simply do not have access to information about applying for the benefits that they are entitled to. Forty per cent of people who are eligible for pension credits do not claim them. Therefore, it is a double whammy: there are extra costs but less accessibility to the information that will assist in getting support.

This morning, I met with the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations, on the subject of affordable broadband. I wonder how many members, let alone their constituents, know that if a person is in receipt of certain benefits, they can sign up for a £10-a-month home phone and broadband package from BT. If you do not have connectivity, you cannot find out what support you are entitled to. The importance of boosting our digital connectivity across rural communities cannot be overstated. Bringing about improvements can open up further job opportunities and bring our communities closer together—helping to reduce social isolation—and, in this ever more digitally driven world, we must ensure that everyone has access to the information that they need.

Presiding Officer, in the light of what has gone before in the debate, I hope that you and Jackie Baillie will indulge me in going off at somewhat of a tangent. When I initially read the motion, I thought that it was about people living on their own and loneliness, which would have been very appropriate at this time of year.

I was pleased to meet with the British Red Cross to discuss the issue of loneliness. It provided me with a great insight into the effects of social isolation and feeling alone, which was highlighted in the report “Trapped in a bubble: An investigation into triggers for loneliness in the UK”. It is those people who will be most affected by Scottish Water’s proposed policy change.

I met the then Minister for Social Security, Jeane Freeman, to ask what action could be taken to address social isolation and loneliness. It is disappointing that it has taken until this week for the Government to reveal the findings of its consultation, given that the consultation finished at the end of April. In response, my colleague Annie Wells put forward wide-ranging plans to combat loneliness, including national awareness campaigns and—perhaps most important of all—the recognition that the need for loneliness support affects people of all ages.

Tonight, in the spirit of the season—I presumed that the debate was going to be more in that spirit—I pay tribute to some of the organisations that are working tirelessly across Dumfries and Galloway to help people who are living on their own.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-14677, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on the Scottish Government to penalise Scots for...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
You can call me Jackie any time you like, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is too close to recess. I am drifting. I call Jackie Baillie to open the debate. Motion debated, That the Parliament disagrees with the Scottish Water p...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Almost 950,000 people in Scotland receive a discount for their water. For the overwhelming majority of those people, the discount is worth 25 per cent of the...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Jackie Baillie accept that some of us who are single and live on our own would happily pay a bit of extra money?
Jackie Baillie Lab
If John Mason wishes to do so, I am sure that Glasgow City Council would welcome him paying extra. However, that is not the point. The majority of people in ...
James Dornan (Glasgow Cathcart) (SNP) SNP
As is normal, I thank Jackie Baillie for securing the debate. However, I am deeply disappointed in the tone of her motion, and I am also surprised that it wa...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
James Dornan SNP
Only if it is not coming of my time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time, Mr Dornan.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I gather, based on his remarks, that the member is asking the Scottish Government to rule out removing the single-person discount for water. Is that correct?
James Dornan SNP
I thought that Daniel Johnson had been here long enough to know the difference between a consultation and something that is not a consultation. The consultat...
Jackie Baillie Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member should be concluding, Ms Baillie.
James Dornan SNP
I reiterate that no decisions have been taken on the issue. However, when the decision is taken, it will be about ensuring that the help that we provide goes...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Dornan. Just for—Interruption. I ask members to please be quiet. Mr Dornan, you said that you did not know why the motion was allowed. The proc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Sit down, Mr Dornan.
James Dornan SNP
I raise a point of order.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Tread carefully—it had better be a point of order.
James Dornan SNP
Do we have clarification of what the boundaries are for a member’s debate?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Sit down, Mr Dornan. Sit down. That is not a point of order. You asked why the debate was allowed and I have explained the parliamentary process. That is why...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
My speech completely misjudges the tone of the debate, but I will continue. I thank Jackie Baillie for bringing this important subject to the chamber. As t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have been quite indulgent, because you did not read the motion properly.
Finlay Carson Con
You are absolutely right.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Do not test my indulgence by giving me a big list of all the organisations that you want on the record.
Finlay Carson Con
I certainly will not do that.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, you will not.
Finlay Carson Con
At this time of year, when the focus is on goodwill to all men and women, Scottish Water needs to look again at its misguided plans that will punish people s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much. I see that you have found your card and I have found my glasses, so things are improving. 17:25
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I start by paying tribute to my colleague Jackie Baillie for securing the debate and lodging her relevant motion. Jackie has a formidable record as a campaig...