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Meeting of the Parliament 19 December 2018

19 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Union Citizens (Contribution to Scotland)

Perhaps the minister will respond to those points when he winds up the debate.

The withdrawal agreement protects existing rights to equal treatment and non-discrimination for EU citizens residing or working in the UK and their family members. Broadly speaking, they will have the same entitlements to work, study and access public services and benefits as they do now, subject only to any future domestic policy changes that would apply equally to UK nationals. Therefore, I ask again, and perhaps the minister will respond to this when he winds up: given that that is what the SNP, rightly, called for, why is the SNP now minded to vote against the withdrawal agreement? It delivers exactly what the SNP said that it wanted.

We agree with the first half of the Scottish Government’s motion, but we do not agree with the portion that I must describe—with all due respect to the minister—as rather empty virtue signalling about fees. EU nationals with indefinite leave to remain will not have to pay a fee, and those who need to pay will pay £65 if they are over 16 and £32.50 if they are under 16, which is significantly less than a British citizen would pay for a passport. Nor do we agree that the United Kingdom needs a differentiated or devolved immigration system. Experts have warned that increased deviation is not helpful to the economy. For example, a report that was published by the migration observatory at the University of Oxford said that it is

“not clear that significant regional variation would lead to a better match between policy and regional economic needs.”

It also said that

“regionalisation has an economic drawback, which is that a more complex immigration system would increase administrative burdens for its users”—

that is, not just employers but migrant labourers, too. The director of the Confederation of British Industry Scotland has said the same thing, as have the Food and Drink Federation Scotland, Scottish Chambers of Commerce and NFU Scotland.

Whether we voted for it or not, Brexit has facilitated the biggest change in our immigration system in more than four decades. The new system will be based on the skills that an individual can bring to this country, not on their nationality or where they were born or come from. That means that, as we continue to grow the UK economy, we can seek out people with the correct skills and ask them to make Britain their home.

I move amendment S5M-15184.2, to leave out from “however, notes that the UK Government’s policy” to end and insert:

“, and notes and welcomes that the first priority of the UK Government in the process of leaving the EU has always been to secure the status of EU citizens living in the UK, and UK nationals living in the EU.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15184, in the name of Ben Macpherson, on the contribution of European Union citizens to Scotland. 15:42
The Minister for Europe, Migration and International Development (Ben Macpherson) SNP
It is a great privilege to begin this important debate and, in doing so, to recognise and emphasise, on behalf of the Scottish Government and many others, th...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Today, the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, commented that there was no reason to think that cutting down immigration would harm the economy. What is the ministe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, did you hear all of that question? Ms Dugdale’s mic was not on, initially.
Ben Macpherson SNP
I heard that important intervention. I was going to say later—but I will make the point now—that Mr Javid’s comments are erroneous and inaccurate. Taking acc...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Does the minister accept that the fee to be charged is less than the fee that either he or I would have to pay to renew our passports?
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thought that Adam Tomkins would raise that example. The comparison is completely inappropriate and wrong-headed. When we buy a passport, we are not paying ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please, minister.
Ben Macpherson SNP
In my concluding remarks, I will talk more about the fee and the disastrous white paper that has been put forward. The people of Scotland should be at the he...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
With those closing remarks, I am sure that the whole of the Parliament will speak with one voice. Tens of thousands of European citizens live in Glasgow, the...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will Adam Tomkins give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
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Gillian Martin SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair, please.
Adam Tomkins Con
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Ben Macpherson SNP
On those points, which are important, does Mr Tomkins regret the fact that the Prime Minister stated that EU citizens had been “skipping the queue” in coming...
Adam Tomkins Con
I think that the Prime Minster herself has distanced herself from those remarks and has apologised for them. The withdrawal agreement—successfully negotiate...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Adam Tomkins Con
I have already given way twice. The withdrawal agreement provides that EU citizens who have been living lawfully in the UK for five years at the end of the ...
Tom Arthur SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Adam Tomkins Con
Perhaps the minister will respond to those points when he winds up the debate. The withdrawal agreement protects existing rights to equal treatment and non-...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this afternoon’s debate, which recognises the value of EU citizens to Scotland and makes it clear that they are welcome here. At this time of conti...
Tom Arthur SNP
Will the member give way?
Claire Baker Lab
Yes—but I am very short of time.
Tom Arthur SNP
I welcome Claire Baker’s remarks. Will she confirm that the Scottish Labour Party supports free movement of EU nationals and UK citizens across the European ...
Claire Baker Lab
As Tom Arthur will hear in my speech, I recognise the value of freedom of movement. I was hoping that today’s debate would be consensual. We will also respon...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The three opening speeches have all gone over time, which will have a knock-on effect on colleagues who will participate in the open debate. I ask members to...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The Greens join our colleagues from the SNP and Labour in paying respect to the contributions of EU citizens and, indeed, of all people who choose to make Sc...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
He is just closing.