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Meeting of the Parliament 19 December 2018

19 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
European Union Citizens (Contribution to Scotland)
Macpherson, Ben SNP Edinburgh Northern and Leith Watch on SPTV

It is a great privilege to begin this important debate and, in doing so, to recognise and emphasise, on behalf of the Scottish Government and many others, the huge contribution that European Union citizens have made to Scotland and continue to make today.

As it comes on the day after international migrants day, and just hours after the United Kingdom Government has finally published its highly concerning and wrong-headed immigration white paper, today’s debate is an opportunity for us, as a Parliament, to reaffirm our support for our friends, neighbours, colleagues and loved ones who have chosen to make Scotland their home, and for us to focus on their wellbeing and recognise the huge contribution that they make to modern Scotland.

I hope that every member will want to say something to people who have come to study at and enhance our world-class colleges and universities, or who have worked hard in businesses and public services right across the country, supporting their families and their communities, or who have been brought up here—or even been born here—and who speak with a Scottish accent but have a passport from another European country. Let us say to them, for it cannot be said often enough: Scotland is your home; you are welcome here; we want you to stay; together, we are stronger in diversity.

European migration has been good for Scots, and for Scotland. The Parliament knows the challenges that Scotland faces from long-term demographic trends, with an ageing population and not enough working-age people coming through to replace those leaving the labour market, despite more people coming to Scotland from the rest of the UK in recent years. EU migration has helped to sustain the working-age population and has boosted our economic growth. That is why today’s debate is important. It is also why the UK Government’s white paper that was published this afternoon is so concerning and wrong-headed and is deeply worrying for businesses and many others.

Even the UK Government’s key advisers on migration are clear that the positive impact of EU citizens has been immense. The UK Government’s Migration Advisory Committee states that there is

“no evidence that EEA migration has reduced employment opportunities”

for UK citizens,

“no evidence that EEA migration has reduced wages for UK-born workers”

and

“no evidence that migration has reduced the training opportunities”

that are available to British people. It is important that we tackle and address any misunderstanding on those points.

On the other hand, the key advisers to the UK Government emphasise that

“EEA migrants ... pay more in taxes than they receive in welfare benefits and consume in public services”

and

“EEA migrants contribute much more to the health service and the provision of social care in financial resources and through work than they consume in services.”

The positive impact of migration is clear—in evidence and in principle—according to even the UK Government’s Migration Advisory Committee.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15184, in the name of Ben Macpherson, on the contribution of European Union citizens to Scotland. 15:42
The Minister for Europe, Migration and International Development (Ben Macpherson) SNP
It is a great privilege to begin this important debate and, in doing so, to recognise and emphasise, on behalf of the Scottish Government and many others, th...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Today, the Home Secretary, Sajid Javid, commented that there was no reason to think that cutting down immigration would harm the economy. What is the ministe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, did you hear all of that question? Ms Dugdale’s mic was not on, initially.
Ben Macpherson SNP
I heard that important intervention. I was going to say later—but I will make the point now—that Mr Javid’s comments are erroneous and inaccurate. Taking acc...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
Does the minister accept that the fee to be charged is less than the fee that either he or I would have to pay to renew our passports?
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thought that Adam Tomkins would raise that example. The comparison is completely inappropriate and wrong-headed. When we buy a passport, we are not paying ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please, minister.
Ben Macpherson SNP
In my concluding remarks, I will talk more about the fee and the disastrous white paper that has been put forward. The people of Scotland should be at the he...
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
With those closing remarks, I am sure that the whole of the Parliament will speak with one voice. Tens of thousands of European citizens live in Glasgow, the...
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
Will Adam Tomkins give way?
Adam Tomkins Con
Let me finish the quotation and then I will happily give way. The Prime Minister went on to say: “Britain is an open and tolerant country. We will always wa...
Gillian Martin SNP
Adam Tomkins has spoken about attracting talent. Does he believe that you have talent only if you earn more than £30,000 a year, which has been mooted as the...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair, please.
Adam Tomkins Con
No, I do not think that talent begins only at £30,000 a year. That proposition has been put out to public consultation today—as I understand it—and I urge ev...
Ben Macpherson SNP
On those points, which are important, does Mr Tomkins regret the fact that the Prime Minister stated that EU citizens had been “skipping the queue” in coming...
Adam Tomkins Con
I think that the Prime Minster herself has distanced herself from those remarks and has apologised for them. The withdrawal agreement—successfully negotiate...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Adam Tomkins Con
I have already given way twice. The withdrawal agreement provides that EU citizens who have been living lawfully in the UK for five years at the end of the ...
Tom Arthur SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Adam Tomkins Con
Perhaps the minister will respond to those points when he winds up the debate. The withdrawal agreement protects existing rights to equal treatment and non-...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I welcome this afternoon’s debate, which recognises the value of EU citizens to Scotland and makes it clear that they are welcome here. At this time of conti...
Tom Arthur SNP
Will the member give way?
Claire Baker Lab
Yes—but I am very short of time.
Tom Arthur SNP
I welcome Claire Baker’s remarks. Will she confirm that the Scottish Labour Party supports free movement of EU nationals and UK citizens across the European ...
Claire Baker Lab
As Tom Arthur will hear in my speech, I recognise the value of freedom of movement. I was hoping that today’s debate would be consensual. We will also respon...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The three opening speeches have all gone over time, which will have a knock-on effect on colleagues who will participate in the open debate. I ask members to...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The Greens join our colleagues from the SNP and Labour in paying respect to the contributions of EU citizens and, indeed, of all people who choose to make Sc...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
He is just closing.