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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 11 December 2018

11 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fisheries Negotiations

The turmoil around Brexit will be deeply concerning to the many people who live and work around our coasts and are involved not only in the fishing industry but in processing, transport, wholesale and retail. That makes the Scottish Government’s role in this year’s council all the more important. We hope that it will provide a clear steer for a future industry that is sustainable regardless of the EU exit outcome.

I am pleased to speak in the debate and to approach it in the main from the perspective of my brief as Scottish Labour’s spokesperson for environment and climate change. My thanks go to the Open Seas Trust, the Marine Conservation Society, RSPB Scotland and the Scottish Wildlife Trust for their helpful input to my preparation for the debate.

Like many members throughout the chamber, I firmly believe that sustainable fishing makes for a sustainable industry and sustainable communities. Coastal communities can be and often are fragile communities with fragile economies, and they depend very much on the negotiations and on Scottish Government direction. They must be given certainty of science and the tools to fish appropriately in their local marine environments and more widely.

The marine environment is indeed precious, but its vulnerability can be misunderstood or even forgotten by the public—and even sometimes by us policy makers—because it is difficult for people to see it with their own eyes. The way to sustain communities is to manage ecosystems, which enables productivity now and in the future. That is the sensible option because everyone wins with clean, healthy seas.

This time last year, the cabinet secretary assured the Parliament:

“One of the Scottish Government’s key negotiating principles is to follow the best scientific advice.”—[Official Report, 7 December 2017; c 59.]

Tavish Scott’s amendment recognises the importance of that, not least in relation to climate change and its effect on changing fish shoals and migration.

Given that welcome commitment from the cabinet secretary, will he comment on the lack of stock assessment for species for which the Scottish Government has sole responsibility? What plans does it have to gather that data for species such as scallops, so that it can truly say that it acts on sound science? Scallops have been in the news recently, with reports of alleged illegal dredging in Wester Ross and elsewhere. It takes only one boat dredging through an important habitat to cause decades-worth of damage in just a few hours.

I welcome the Government’s condemnation of what has been reported, but the solution has been offered a number of times, including in these yearly debates—I might not have taken part in 12, like Stewart Stevenson, but I have taken part in six. The industry and environmentalists are demanding vessel monitoring systems in marine protected areas and inshore fisheries. I thank the cabinet secretary for the answer that he gave in the Parliament last week, when he mentioned investment of £1.5 million in tracking and monitoring technology. Monitoring will not only help to prevent unwelcome transgressions but allow for Scottish leadership in verifying the quality and sustainability of our produce. Having said that, Scottish Labour will need more details about wider funding arrangements for vessels before we can support the Green amendment.

Given that licences will be reissued in January, now is the time to make changes, so that in next year’s debate we do not have to make the same points as we have made in previous years. Members are well aware that Scotland has a vast coastline and is naturally suited to having a thriving fishing industry. It therefore receives the majority of the UK’s quota allocation. However, a third of that quota is allocated to just five operators, and I understand that some of the fish is landed at foreign ports. That does not appear to be the fairest management of what is a public resource. There should be ways of directing fishing licences to smaller boats and fleets that have a direct local connection, as Rhoda Grant said.

Although consolidation has provided jobs, directly and indirectly, smaller fleets and harbours have struggled to compete. What consideration has the cabinet secretary given to marine resource inequity, which the Scottish Labour amendment highlights, and to Rhoda Grant’s points about public and local authority ownership as a leasing model? Our amendment also highlights the importance of new entrants to the range of fisheries.

Choke species remain a difficult issue, which requires an inventive solution. The landing obligation is a positive step towards reducing waste, improving catch selectivity and ensuring a degree of accountability. Fishermen have made excellent progress with fishing strategies and technological advancements and are playing their part, but there are unresolved issues with certain choke species. In smaller ports, there is no market for some species that are caught by accident, and in those circumstances fishermen need proper advice and guidance from the Scottish Government.

We welcomed the Government’s guarantee, in 2016, of funding for projects under the European maritime and fisheries fund. However, 29 March is drawing near. The fund is immensely important in supporting fishermen in the transition to sustainable fishing, in diversifying coastal economies, and in improving the quality of life in coastal communities, while protecting our marine environment. The fund’s loss would be immense, not least because of the support that it can offer in training the processing workforce and in preparing new vessels and the younger generation to fish sustainably in future. Can the cabinet secretary assure the Parliament that the fund will be replicated? I note what members have said about that today.

On behalf of Scottish Labour, I wish the cabinet secretary well in the council deliberations, which will be important in underpinning the future, whatever the future brings.

15:29  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15096, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on sea fisheries and end-of-year negotiations. 14:16
The Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy (Fergus Ewing) SNP
It is a privilege once again to represent the fishing industry ahead of this year’s December council. I reiterate my admiration and respect for the fishing ...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been a pleasure and a privilege to work with the fishing industry this year. I am pleased to speak on its behalf in this important debate, to open for...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Peter Chapman talks about foreign vessels coming into our waters. Is not that exactly the situation that the French faced this year, with the Scottish fleet ...
Peter Chapman Con
Our fishermen were completely in the right in that argument. The French were not supposed to be fishing in those waters, whereas we were allowed to do so. To...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that Peter Chapman has, as I have done in my part of Scotland, spoken to fish processing firms. Has he not noticed that, above all their other conc...
Peter Chapman Con
The workforce is absolutely an issue. However, the decline has been going on for nearly 10 years, which is long before anyone ever spoke about Brexit, so the...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Peter Chapman Con
I have taken two already, so I will not. It has been blatantly obvious to us all that the SNP Government has used the Brexit vote as a weapon to build more ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Aye? Laughter.
Peter Chapman Con
The deal is not perfect, but it is the only game in town, and it is pragmatic and workable. Our fishermen will never forget and will never forgive the SNP if...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I was going to try very hard to avoid mentioning Brexit, but given that Peter Chapman did not amend his speech in the light of the fact that there is to be n...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
The Green amendment allows me to return to a subject that I spoke about in last year’s debate, which is the urgent need for the full tracking and monitoring ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Given that the member has said that the illegal activity is engaged in by only a tiny minority of the fishing sector, why does he think that it is important ...
Mark Ruskell Green
It is true that that activity is undertaken by only a small minority, but the proposal is not only about monitoring and compliance, but about data gathering ...
Peter Chapman Con
The member’s amendment speaks about monitoring and policing the Scottish fleet. Why does he not think that there is a need to monitor and police the EU fleet?
Mark Ruskell Green
That is a good point, and something that could be taken forward through further reform of the CFP. Of course, we will not be in the CFP, because we will be t...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
With a week to go before the December EU fisheries council negotiations and with the EU-Faroes bilateral negotiations taking place as we speak, today’s debat...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I did a quick sum before the debate: I think that this is my 11th or 12th speech on fisheries negotiations since becoming a member. Each year’s negotiations ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I call Edward Mountain, to be followed by Alasdair Allan. Mr Mountain, dinna fash yersel—you can have up to 7 minutes, or even a wee bit more. There is time ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, you are so generous. Thank you. Another year end and another annual debate on next year’s European fishing quotas. This year’s EU-Norway ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
He did not even use the extra time. I cannot please you, no matter what I do, Mr Mountain. 15:14
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
As other members have mentioned, this year’s European fisheries talks have been somewhat overshadowed by European negotiations of a different kind and by the...
Edward Mountain Con
The European judgment said that we would need to rejoin the EU under the same terms and conditions. Does that not mean that we would need to go back under th...
Dr Allan SNP
If we choose not to leave the European Union, the court’s ruling makes it clear that we would stay in on our current terms. I have never expressed any affect...
Peter Chapman Con
Does the member not accept that we have made it abundantly clear at every opportunity and on every occasion that we will not link access to our waters to the...
Dr Allan SNP
There is certainly room for more than some ambiguity about that. The wording of the political declaration makes it abundantly clear that a link is being made...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The turmoil around Brexit will be deeply concerning to the many people who live and work around our coasts and are involved not only in the fishing industry ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
The first time that I took part in this end-of-term December debate on the fisheries negotiations was in 2006, which is the year that I came into the Parliam...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me a minute, Ms Watt. I cannot hear anything that you are saying because of Mr Chapman. Please stop; I would like to hear Ms Watt.