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Meeting of the Parliament 11 December 2018

11 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fisheries Negotiations
Allan, Dr Alasdair SNP Na h-Eileanan an Iar Watch on SPTV

As other members have mentioned, this year’s European fisheries talks have been somewhat overshadowed by European negotiations of a different kind and by the toxic fall-out from the vote—or rather, the lack of a vote—in another place tonight. That does not make the fisheries talks any less important to fishing communities. That said, it is simply impossible to talk about the talks without mentioning Brexit, so I will not go through the motions of trying not to speak about it.

Amid all the on-going absurdities—some of which Stewart Stevenson referred to—such as Austria and Luxembourg having votes on the EU fisheries council, but Scotland not having any, or the fact that Scotland and its elected Parliament are being given no direct say over the direction of fishing post-Brexit, what should unite this Parliament, as other members have said, is our determination to get the best possible deal from the talks for the Scottish fishing industry and for the environment.

As far as anyone can now really tell, the Prime Minister is still determined to present fishermen with a choice between her deal and no deal. In the case of the former scenario, we now know that the UK is volunteering to give up its current voting rights to influence the process when it comes to fishing. Meanwhile, our fishing industry will benefit from zero tariffs only if a fisheries agreement between the UK and the EU has been reached that includes arrangements on access to waters and fishing opportunities.

As for the no-deal option, Lewis MacMillan, who catches prawns in Loch Fyne, says:

“If there’s a line-up of lorries at the border because of Brexit, we’ll be in trouble. The prawns need to make it to Europe alive.”

If there is no agreement on fishing access and shares, trade in such products will remain outwith the customs territory and will be subject to World Trade Organization tariffs. The national co-ordinator of the Scottish Creel Fishermen’s Federation, Alistair Sinclair, said that

“tariffs would hurt our margins and profitability. It would ... dismantle 20 years of perfecting the current system—overnight.”

There is the additional worry of what Brexit might mean for the supply of the fish-processing workforce. I visited MacDuff Shellfish in Stornoway earlier in the year, and that point was made very clear to me.

As a related aside, the UK Government’s hostility to a concessionary visa scheme for non-European Economic Area workers could also have labour implications for fishing boat crewing, which is a point that Barratlantic Ltd on the isle of Barra in my constituency has made forcefully.

All those problems, and many others, make the case for listening to what the European court said yesterday. We need to accept that no deal and the Prime Minister’s deal are not the only two options available. As things stand, the UK Government’s deal and statement do not provide any hard terms or agreements for future fishing rights.

The agreement states that the UK and EU intend to reach a fisheries deal by July 2020.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-15096, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on sea fisheries and end-of-year negotiations. 14:16
The Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy (Fergus Ewing) SNP
It is a privilege once again to represent the fishing industry ahead of this year’s December council. I reiterate my admiration and respect for the fishing ...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
It has been a pleasure and a privilege to work with the fishing industry this year. I am pleased to speak on its behalf in this important debate, to open for...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Peter Chapman talks about foreign vessels coming into our waters. Is not that exactly the situation that the French faced this year, with the Scottish fleet ...
Peter Chapman Con
Our fishermen were completely in the right in that argument. The French were not supposed to be fishing in those waters, whereas we were allowed to do so. To...
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that Peter Chapman has, as I have done in my part of Scotland, spoken to fish processing firms. Has he not noticed that, above all their other conc...
Peter Chapman Con
The workforce is absolutely an issue. However, the decline has been going on for nearly 10 years, which is long before anyone ever spoke about Brexit, so the...
The Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Peter Chapman Con
I have taken two already, so I will not. It has been blatantly obvious to us all that the SNP Government has used the Brexit vote as a weapon to build more ...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Aye? Laughter.
Peter Chapman Con
The deal is not perfect, but it is the only game in town, and it is pragmatic and workable. Our fishermen will never forget and will never forgive the SNP if...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I was going to try very hard to avoid mentioning Brexit, but given that Peter Chapman did not amend his speech in the light of the fact that there is to be n...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
The Green amendment allows me to return to a subject that I spoke about in last year’s debate, which is the urgent need for the full tracking and monitoring ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Given that the member has said that the illegal activity is engaged in by only a tiny minority of the fishing sector, why does he think that it is important ...
Mark Ruskell Green
It is true that that activity is undertaken by only a small minority, but the proposal is not only about monitoring and compliance, but about data gathering ...
Peter Chapman Con
The member’s amendment speaks about monitoring and policing the Scottish fleet. Why does he not think that there is a need to monitor and police the EU fleet?
Mark Ruskell Green
That is a good point, and something that could be taken forward through further reform of the CFP. Of course, we will not be in the CFP, because we will be t...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
With a week to go before the December EU fisheries council negotiations and with the EU-Faroes bilateral negotiations taking place as we speak, today’s debat...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I did a quick sum before the debate: I think that this is my 11th or 12th speech on fisheries negotiations since becoming a member. Each year’s negotiations ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I call Edward Mountain, to be followed by Alasdair Allan. Mr Mountain, dinna fash yersel—you can have up to 7 minutes, or even a wee bit more. There is time ...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Presiding Officer, you are so generous. Thank you. Another year end and another annual debate on next year’s European fishing quotas. This year’s EU-Norway ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
He did not even use the extra time. I cannot please you, no matter what I do, Mr Mountain. 15:14
Dr Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
As other members have mentioned, this year’s European fisheries talks have been somewhat overshadowed by European negotiations of a different kind and by the...
Edward Mountain Con
The European judgment said that we would need to rejoin the EU under the same terms and conditions. Does that not mean that we would need to go back under th...
Dr Allan SNP
If we choose not to leave the European Union, the court’s ruling makes it clear that we would stay in on our current terms. I have never expressed any affect...
Peter Chapman Con
Does the member not accept that we have made it abundantly clear at every opportunity and on every occasion that we will not link access to our waters to the...
Dr Allan SNP
There is certainly room for more than some ambiguity about that. The wording of the political declaration makes it abundantly clear that a link is being made...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The turmoil around Brexit will be deeply concerning to the many people who live and work around our coasts and are involved not only in the fishing industry ...
Maureen Watt (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
The first time that I took part in this end-of-term December debate on the fisheries negotiations was in 2006, which is the year that I came into the Parliam...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Excuse me a minute, Ms Watt. I cannot hear anything that you are saying because of Mr Chapman. Please stop; I would like to hear Ms Watt.