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Meeting of the Parliament 04 December 2018

04 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

The matter was discussed at the Justice Committee on 13 November. Of course it is important to have consistent application of legislation, but legislation must be fair and equitable, and it should certainly not be trialled by The Daily Telegraph, as is the inference from the powers that the UK Government seeks to put in place.

Three powers apply to Scotland, in relation to traffic regulation orders, legal aid and the retention of biometric material. On traffic regulation orders, it is good that the local authorities will be reimbursed. On legal aid, it is great that people who are accused are to be given non-means-tested advice and assistance. Please can we extend that provision?

The issue is the retention of biometric material. The legislative consent motion states that the bill will strike “a better balance”. That better balance was not evidenced at the Justice Committee by the cabinet secretary. We heard from an official that chief officers in England and Wales have gone to the biometrics commissioner on a number of occasions to seek further retention periods—I bet that they have.

The reasons for retention are changing. The LCM tells us that biometric material is available for use for “general policing purposes”. The cabinet secretary used the term “devolved purposes”. Those are serious extensions and serious intrusions. The argument for change that we seem to be hearing is that the provisions are administratively more convenient. I am certainly not persuaded by that, not least because I believe that information will be shared and put in a UK national database—a UK national database with errors. I understand that there may have been human rights violations in relation to photographic evidence that has not been corrected.

Our obligation is to scrutinise and understand the purpose of legislation. Everyone wants to see an end to violence and the use of maximum proportionate means to address such issues. However, that approach would be underpinned by a human rights assessment, and my questions to the cabinet secretary are: has one been compiled and published and, if so, who consulted on it? Either way, the case has not been made. The Scottish Green Party will not support the motion.

16:58  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is consideration of a legislative consent motion. I ask Humza Yousaf to move motion S5M-15017, on the Counter-Terrorism and Border ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Adam Tomkins. 16:53
Adam Tomkins (Glasgow) (Con) Con
In October last year, Andrew Parker, the director general of MI5, described the on-going terrorist threat that faces the United Kingdom as “multi-dimensiona...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The matter was discussed at the Justice Committee on 13 November. Of course it is important to have consistent application of legislation, but legislation mu...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I thank both Adam Tomkins and John Finnie for speaking on this legislative consent motion, and the Presiding Officer for the opportunity to respond. The Cou...
John Finnie Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Humza Yousaf SNP
If the member does not mind, I want to make progress—if only because he said that he would vote against the LCM regardless of what I say. In response to the...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I heard Mr Finnie rightly ask about a human rights assessment. Labour members are minded to support the Government on the LCM, but the point about a human ri...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I was coming to that point. I wanted first to address Mr Finnie’s question on databases. We take that issue extremely seriously. We will watch how the bill p...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The question on the LCM will be put at decision time.