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Meeting of the Parliament 04 December 2018

04 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Thyroid and Adrenal Testing, Diagnosis and Treatment
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

I thank Sandra Whyte for highlighting the importance of thyroid-related conditions and for working so hard to get us to this point. I also thank Elaine Smith MSP for her hard work and for bringing her story to Parliament. Consideration of the petition has spanned nearly six years. In that time, a significant range and volume of evidence has been gathered, by way of submissions and oral evidence to the committee. I thank those who have made such valuable contributions.

According to the NHS website, thyroid underactivity in the UK affects 15 in every 1,000 women and one in 1,000 men. Although most sufferers are diagnosed effectively, many people live with the mental and physical problems that arise from being undiagnosed. Back in December 2012, petition PE1463 called on Parliament to urge the Scottish Government to take action to ensure that GPs and endocrinologists are able to diagnose thyroid and adrenal disorders accurately, and to provide the most appropriate treatment. Many years later, we are still learning of people who live with thyroid conditions and are still negatively impacted daily.

This morning, I spoke to a friend from my constituency who is a GP who told me how hard it is to diagnose thyroid conditions because they can mimic other conditions. The petition highlighted four main concerns about the need for tests for free T3 and reverse T3 thyroid hormones; for medical professionals to acknowledge the existence of adrenal insufficiency; and for the adrenal stress index test to be incorporated in NHS thyroid-testing procedures. There are lots of big words to use today. I am eating my own tongue trying to say them so I apologise for that.

Moreover, the petition called on medical professionals to acknowledge and take account of variations in individual biochemistry and to tailor treatment accordingly. We have heard a lot of members speak about that. Treatment might consist primarily of T4 only, T4/T3, T3 only or natural desiccated thyroid. The petition raised concerns that NHS procedures do not include testing of autoimmune status, minerals, enzymes or vitamins.

I will speak about the experiences of people with thyroid conditions. People live day in and day out with thyroid conditions. Their experiences of living with them range from weight gain to lethargy and depression. I am grateful to all the brave people who contributed to the committee’s evidence sessions by telling their stories.

In The Daily Telegraph yesterday, I read about a remarkable woman, Fiona McGowan, who lives with hypothyroidism. She realised that she was putting on weight and blamed her mother’s death, despite living a very healthy and active lifestyle. Eventually, a nutritionist realised that she had an endocrine issue. Although she then obtained the correct medicine to help to treat her condition, the price of her medication became an issue. People self-medicate and purchase medicines on the internet from other countries, due to high costs and lack of availability in this country.

We know from today’s speeches and from accounts of people with thyroid conditions that the problems have significant impacts on peoples’ lives. Elaine Smith’s suggestion that the Health and Sport Committee conduct an inquiry and take evidence from such people is a great idea.

Although the majority of patients with thyroid conditions are diagnosed and treated successfully, that is not the case for a proportion of patients. Members must support them, and the Scottish Government must take note of the issues. A review is needed into how professionals deal with thyroid conditions, whether through guidelines that are developed by independent experts, including health authorities and clinical bodies, or through peer-reviewed research on patient treatment.

Although I acknowledge that the licensing of medication is reserved, better dialogue would be beneficial in ensuring that T3 supply issues are dealt with in order to avoid increases in the cost of medicines, which ultimately lead to people making internet purchases. I look forward to the Scottish Government supporting sufferers, and I again thank everybody who contributed.

15:10  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14984, in the name of Johann Lamont, on the “Report on petition PE1463: Effective thyroid and adrenal tes...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The Public Petitions Committee has been considering PE1463 since 2012. I only recently became the convener of the committee, but it is my privilege to speak ...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the convener acknowledge that even patients who are on the standard T4 treatment can have symptoms that they do not know are associated with the thyroid...
Johann Lamont Lab
The evidence suggests—as do constituents who have spoken to me—that there is, across the board, a fundamental lack of understanding of the impact of the cond...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
I thank the Public Petitions Committee for securing the debate, and the convener, Johann Lamont, for moving the motion. I offer my personal thanks to the pe...
Elaine Smith Lab
I will come to this issue again in my own speech. Would the minister expect health boards to get in line with that approach and not stop people getting T3 or...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
What people are experiencing on the ground is really important. The guidelines make it clear that, if T4 is not working for an individual, the endocrinologis...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As Johann Lamont said, this particular petition has exercised the Public Petitions Committee for some time. I would like to thank the petitioner, Sandra Whyt...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have made many speeches in this chamber over 20 years but this is one of the most important. It is quite literally a matter of life and death, including my...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. We turn now to the open debate. 15:00
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I am extremely pleased to have the opportunity to speak today, because I was on the Public Petitions Committee when the petition was lodged in 2012. Since th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I remind people in the gallery that we do not permit applause in the public area. Thank you very much. 15:06
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I thank Sandra Whyte for highlighting the importance of thyroid-related conditions and for working so hard to get us to this point. I also thank Elaine Smith...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
It has been more than a year since we last debated access to T3 for people who suffer from thyroid conditions. That begs the question: what has changed? I fe...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been an excellent and well-informed debate. I thank the Public Petitions Committee for its hard work. I particularly acknowledge the contribution of...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I, too, think that it is important that we pay tribute to the petitioners and thank the Public Petitions Committee for giving Parliament the opportunity to a...
Elaine Smith Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in his last minute. If he does not mind losing a little time, he can give way.
Miles Briggs Con
Okay.
Elaine Smith Lab
Unfortunately, although two other companies produce the drug, the price is not coming down.
Miles Briggs Con
I note that point. Given that I have 30 seconds left, we will perhaps discuss that outside the chamber. I support Elaine Smith’s important ask that the Heal...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I am very grateful to members who have shared their experiences this afternoon, and I appreciate the work that members have put into advancing the issue on b...
Miles Briggs Con
In the debate, the useful point has been made that there is a postcode lottery across Scotland. As Jackie Baillie suggested, will the minister commit to writ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I will come to that point. I re-emphasise that the Scottish Government’s position is that T3 can be prescribed by an endocrinologist if it is considered to ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I very much welcome the minister’s confirmation, but will he monitor whether boards pay attention to him?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I suspect that, if boards are not paying attention to me, many members will ensure that I am aware of that. If people cannot access the treatment that we all...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Angus MacDonald to close the debate on behalf of the committee. You have a tight seven minutes, Mr MacDonald. 15:29
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
When the Parliament last debated this issue, and the petition, in Elaine Smith’s members’ business debate, I gave her an assurance that the Public Petitions ...
Elaine Smith Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I think that the deputy convener might have misheard me, because I said earlier that the price does not seem to have ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
As a former Deputy Presiding Officer, Elaine Smith knows that that is not a point of order, but I will let it pass—I am in a good mood.