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Meeting of the Parliament 04 December 2018

04 Dec 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Thyroid and Adrenal Testing, Diagnosis and Treatment

The evidence suggests—as do constituents who have spoken to me—that there is, across the board, a fundamental lack of understanding of the impact of the condition on the people who suffer from it, on the part of not just people around the patients but the professionals.

The petition has raised the profile of that cohort of patients who either do not respond to the standard treatment or do not respond to the extent that they feel sufficiently well. The committee said in its report:

“It is important that these patients are believed when they report ongoing symptoms to clinicians.”

That is something to which I will return.

As I said, the condition that we are talking about was explained by one of the petitioners as

“a conversion failure of the inactive T4 thyroid hormone to cross over into the active T3 hormone.”

The petitioner continued:

“That does not happen in the thyroid gland at all. The Royal College of Physicians guidance seems only to cover people who can convert normally, and we agree with it that levothyroxine is the right treatment for those people. We do not convert normally”.—[Official Report, Public Petitions Committee, 5 February 2013; c 1056.]

The British Thyroid Association has acknowledged that some patients continue to experience ill health on standard treatment, and the committee welcomes that as a positive step forward in bringing the issue to the attention of clinicians in mainstream endocrinology.

I have referred to the majority of patients with hypothyroidism being diagnosed and treated successfully. The petition and the committee’s work also focused on diagnosis. A key concern of the petitioners is the recommended method of diagnosing and testing hypothyroid patients who do not respond well to standard treatment. The existing guidance recommends that, if a patient is not satisfied with their response to standard treatment, they

“should be thoroughly evaluated for other potentially modifiable conditions”.

According to the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence and the Royal College of Physicians, the starting point for diagnosing a patient with suspected hypothyroidism is to arrange blood tests for thyroid stimulating hormone, or TSH, and free thyroxine, or FT4. Thyroid UK told the committee:

“Part of the problem is that in some areas only a thyroid stimulating hormone test is done, whereas in others a free T4 test is done as well. It is very rare to get a free T3 test done.”—[Official Report, Public Petitions Committee, 1 October 2013; c 1676.]

The committee considered the consistency of testing practices across Scotland and, in particular, the issue of whether testing for T3 is required. The petitioners were of the view that it should be done as a matter of course. However, the committee heard from medical experts and the president of the British Thyroid Association, who do not currently support that view. The president of the British Thyroid Association said:

“It is very misleading to be thinking about measuring T3. I agree with Dr Toft that the optimal measurement for patients who are taking T4 and who have hypothyroidism should be the TSH and the T4. I do not think that there is a place at the moment for T3 because we do not understand enough about it.”

However, Dr Toft clarified his own view by saying:

“There is no reason why T3 should not, from time to time, be measured in patients who are being treated for an underactive thyroid gland.”—[Official Report, Public Petitions Committee, 1 October 2013; c 1680-1, 1678.]

The reference ranges that are used in some testing add to the potential confusion and the mass of information that patients have to grapple with. In the course of forming a diagnosis, clinicians and laboratory biochemists rely on “typical reference ranges” for “normal” thyroids to interpret the results from blood tests. However, those ranges are only a guide and will often vary according to the laboratories, because different tests or methodologies might be used.

Some respondents were critical of the process by which the reference ranges are developed and their use in diagnosis. Thyroid Patient Advocacy has noted that different ranges are used in other countries, and its view is that the range that is used in the United Kingdom should be reviewed. The Royal College of Physicians noted in its guidance:

“We recognise that different methods used for testing blood can give differing results, and we support the international initiative for greater harmonisation of reference ranges and of the units used in expressing results.”

The committee recommended in its report that

“consideration should be given to moving towards the development of a single, national protocol for testing, along with an accompanying process for issuing consistent advice to primary care practitioners for use when considering and interpreting diagnostic tests for suspected hypothyroidism.”

I intend to offer only a short summary of treatment options, as I am keen to hear from other members about their experiences and possible treatments.

According to the British Thyroid Association, the standard treatment for hypothyroidism is synthetic T4, or levothyroxine. The standard treatment appears to work for most people because they can naturally metabolise T4 into T3, which is the active form of the hormone. However, the lead petitioner argues that some patients are not able to naturally metabolise T4 into T3 and that they continue to experience symptoms despite receiving the standard treatment. The petitioners contend that such patients should have access to alternative treatments such as T3 or natural desiccated thyroid.

The committee recognises the concerns that the petitioner has raised about the supply of T3 and notes that the licensing of medication is reserved but that the Government’s action has included discussing previous supply issues with the UK Department of Health and Social Care to monitor the supply of T3 in the UK.

In relation to the production and costs of T3, the committee understands that the market for that treatment in the UK is relatively small. For the majority of the period in which the petition has been under consideration, there has been only one licensed supplier of T3. However, the committee understands that two further licences were granted in the summer of 2017. Following that development, the Scottish Government told the committee:

“The prices charged by the pharmaceutical companies for generic and branded drugs are generally competitive. However, where excessive costs on drugs are identified it would be for the independent Competition and Markets Authority to take appropriate action against those companies.”

We understand that the CMA is at an advanced stage of an investigation into the production and supply of T3.

Leaving aside the medical facts and the arguments for certain treatments, there is the issue of patients not being believed, which we have touched on before. The Public Petitions Committee considers a great many petitions that are linked to health issues, and a common and worrying theme that too often seems to emerge is that patients are not believed when they report symptoms. It is essential that the Government addresses that general experience and concern. I would be interested in that conversation with clinicians, as we are being told that, when people present with symptoms of whatever their condition is, they are not being believed and are being dismissed. That has compounded problems for people who have particular conditions.

I again thank the clerks, all the committee members and those who gave evidence on what is a complex but, for many people across our communities, a serious issue.

I move,

That the Parliament notes the conclusions in the Public Petitions Committee’s 1st Report, 2018 (Session 5), Report on Petition PE1463: Effective thyroid and adrenal testing, diagnosis and treatment (SP Paper 301).

14:41  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14984, in the name of Johann Lamont, on the “Report on petition PE1463: Effective thyroid and adrenal tes...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
The Public Petitions Committee has been considering PE1463 since 2012. I only recently became the convener of the committee, but it is my privilege to speak ...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the convener acknowledge that even patients who are on the standard T4 treatment can have symptoms that they do not know are associated with the thyroid...
Johann Lamont Lab
The evidence suggests—as do constituents who have spoken to me—that there is, across the board, a fundamental lack of understanding of the impact of the cond...
The Minister for Public Health, Sport and Wellbeing (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
I thank the Public Petitions Committee for securing the debate, and the convener, Johann Lamont, for moving the motion. I offer my personal thanks to the pe...
Elaine Smith Lab
I will come to this issue again in my own speech. Would the minister expect health boards to get in line with that approach and not stop people getting T3 or...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
What people are experiencing on the ground is really important. The guidelines make it clear that, if T4 is not working for an individual, the endocrinologis...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As Johann Lamont said, this particular petition has exercised the Public Petitions Committee for some time. I would like to thank the petitioner, Sandra Whyt...
Elaine Smith (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I have made many speeches in this chamber over 20 years but this is one of the most important. It is quite literally a matter of life and death, including my...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you. We turn now to the open debate. 15:00
David Torrance (Kirkcaldy) (SNP) SNP
I am extremely pleased to have the opportunity to speak today, because I was on the Public Petitions Committee when the petition was lodged in 2012. Since th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
I remind people in the gallery that we do not permit applause in the public area. Thank you very much. 15:06
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
I thank Sandra Whyte for highlighting the importance of thyroid-related conditions and for working so hard to get us to this point. I also thank Elaine Smith...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
It has been more than a year since we last debated access to T3 for people who suffer from thyroid conditions. That begs the question: what has changed? I fe...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This has been an excellent and well-informed debate. I thank the Public Petitions Committee for its hard work. I particularly acknowledge the contribution of...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I, too, think that it is important that we pay tribute to the petitioners and thank the Public Petitions Committee for giving Parliament the opportunity to a...
Elaine Smith Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The member is in his last minute. If he does not mind losing a little time, he can give way.
Miles Briggs Con
Okay.
Elaine Smith Lab
Unfortunately, although two other companies produce the drug, the price is not coming down.
Miles Briggs Con
I note that point. Given that I have 30 seconds left, we will perhaps discuss that outside the chamber. I support Elaine Smith’s important ask that the Heal...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I am very grateful to members who have shared their experiences this afternoon, and I appreciate the work that members have put into advancing the issue on b...
Miles Briggs Con
In the debate, the useful point has been made that there is a postcode lottery across Scotland. As Jackie Baillie suggested, will the minister commit to writ...
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I will come to that point. I re-emphasise that the Scottish Government’s position is that T3 can be prescribed by an endocrinologist if it is considered to ...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I very much welcome the minister’s confirmation, but will he monitor whether boards pay attention to him?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I suspect that, if boards are not paying attention to me, many members will ensure that I am aware of that. If people cannot access the treatment that we all...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Angus MacDonald to close the debate on behalf of the committee. You have a tight seven minutes, Mr MacDonald. 15:29
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
When the Parliament last debated this issue, and the petition, in Elaine Smith’s members’ business debate, I gave her an assurance that the Public Petitions ...
Elaine Smith Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I think that the deputy convener might have misheard me, because I said earlier that the price does not seem to have ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
As a former Deputy Presiding Officer, Elaine Smith knows that that is not a point of order, but I will let it pass—I am in a good mood.