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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2018

31 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Early Years
Mackay, Rona SNP Strathkelvin and Bearsden Watch on SPTV

There is no doubt that there is cross-party support for the transformation of free childcare to 1,140 hours. No one can argue that giving children the best-quality early years education is a bad thing. The Scottish Government is delivering on its promise with a £1 billion, multiyear funding package. That is an amazing commitment to children and families in Scotland and it heralds a new future for family life.

Of course a project of this size and complexity will not be plain sailing during the planning stages; I do not think that anyone would reasonably expect it to be. As the Government amendment recognises and as I have witnessed in my constituency, there is a disconnect at present between some private care providers and local authorities, so it is good that we are having this debate.

However, I do not believe that there has been “a lack of engagement” from the Scottish Government, as the Conservative motion says. The problem lies in how some local authorities have chosen to implement the roll-out. I have visited as many private and local authority nurseries in my constituency as I can this year, and I have been approached by private providers and childminders about the 1,140 hours roll-out. I have met East Dunbartonshire Council to relay concerns and to gain clarification on how its plans are progressing.

The passion and care of early years workers in all sectors, which I have witnessed during my visits, have been amazing, and I cannot praise them highly enough. On Monday in Rutherglen, the Education and Skills Committee hosted an early years forum that included private early years providers, local authority nursery workers and officers from a cross section of authorities. We heard that local authorities have individual approaches to the roll-out depending on the needs of the area, because one size does not fit all. However, by its nature, that muddies the waters for planning and implementation. We heard from private providers that communication and partnership working are far from perfect. North Lanarkshire Council is one of the worst offenders, but it is not alone. It has not consulted the private sector as an equal partner and has used the capital expenditure money to build new nurseries, contrary to Scottish Government guidelines that state clearly that councils need to maximise provision through their nurseries and expansion by partners to meet the demand of 1,140 hours, and only after they have done that build new nurseries. I was pleased to hear the minister say that she will clarify that point.

I also heard about the incident that Brian Whittle spoke about, involving the Scottish index of multiple deprivation and families being dictated to. If that is correct, it goes against all the principles of parental choice and flexibility that are a great strength of the Government’s commitment to this transformational policy. What I heard was shocking, and I will welcome the minister’s comments when closing about Government scrutiny of local authorities’ implementation of the roll-out and how the money is being spent. Private providers said that, although they are happy to pay the living wage, their funding allocation concerns are leading to an exodus of trained staff to local authorities and that childminders have been sidelined in some areas, despite being a major part of the blended model of childcare that should be offered to parents.

It is impossible to address all the issues in a four-minute speech, but I believe that the Government will work with local authorities to address the problems and will make this hugely important initiative work. We will learn from good practice, such as that in Angus, Moray and Edinburgh. Failure is not an option. We need to show that we are listening and that we are acting without delay on concerns that are raised. The bottom line is that this transformational policy will bring phenomenal benefits and huge opportunities for children and families throughout Scotland. By working together, I am confident that we can and will make it happen.

16:28  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14521, in the name of Alison Harris, on early years. I ask those who wish to speak in the debate to press...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to bring this debate to the Parliament today. The motion in my name addresses a few serious points that, thus far, hav...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I would be more than happy to write to clarify the position. There is an issue around state aid in respect of local authorities providing capital funding dir...
Alison Harris Con
I would like the minister to do that straight away, please, because there is confusion. The fact that the minister mentioned one local authority although the...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
From August 2020, all three and four-year-olds and eligible two-year-olds will be entitled to 1,140 hours of high-quality early learning and childcare. Thous...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I totally accept the Scottish Government’s aims and ambitions, but does the minister recognise that one sector feels very disadvantaged in promoting the Gove...
Maree Todd SNP
Indeed, and I reiterate that this Government’s view is that the private sector will be crucial to our delivery of this ambition. I will update Parliament la...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The minister rightly talks about the importance of standards and the necessity of paying people the real living wage. How does that square with the fact that...
Maree Todd SNP
The funding deal that we reached with COSLA in April secures the money that is required to ensure the delivery of the living wage commitment. That landmark £...
Liz Smith Con
The concern is that far too many local authorities are not engaging in such partnership working. Will the minister clarify—particularly in light of what some...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will need to be quick, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
I do not agree that that is the case throughout the country. I agree that there are pockets of troublesome, difficult and challenging partnership relationshi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please.
Maree Todd SNP
We have heard providers’ concerns about sustainability, relationship difficulties, workforce challenges and the need to communicate clearly with parents and ...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Alison Harris for lodging her motion for debate. Childcare is an important issue that impacts on the lives of thousands of families up and down the ...
Maree Todd SNP
There are 34,500 staff working in ELC across Scotland, 25,500 of whom are providing funded placements.
Mary Fee Lab
I thank the minister for that clarification. We know that 11,000 more childcare workers are needed by 2020. I appreciate that the minister has updated us on ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Does Mary Fee accept that the funding arrangements that the Scottish Government has agreed with local authorities entirely address the issue about the rates ...
Mary Fee Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that very helpful contribution and clarification. Confidence in the private sector about delivering the policy is plummeti...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
I call Tavish Scott to open the debate for the Liberal Democrats. 16:14
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. You caught me slightly unawares there, as I was looking towards the Green Party benches for the next speaker, but there we are....
John Swinney SNP
Will Mr Scott give way?
Tavish Scott LD
I will happily give way, but I would like to finish my point.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am sorry, cabinet secretary, but Mr Scott will not be able to take an intervention. Perhaps the point could be covered in your closing remarks.
Tavish Scott LD
There must be a happy balance somewhere when it comes to the necessity of auditing the use of public money and dealing with the range of reporting that is no...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Scott. I apologise for not giving you notice that you were about to be called. There was no speaker for the Scottish Green Party this afternoon...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to today’s debate on what I believe is potentially one of the most important and far-reaching pieces of legislation c...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Does the member recognise that we are in the pilot stage of the delivery and that, although some of the mechanisms used might not have been ideal, we want to...
Brian Whittle Con
The people Clare Adamson needs to speak to are those in the gallery who brought the issue to my attention. I think that 2020 will be too late and that ballot...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
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