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Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2018

31 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Early Years

I would like the minister to do that straight away, please, because there is confusion. The fact that the minister mentioned one local authority although there are numerous local authorities out there is indicative of the Government’s and the SNP’s indifference to the scale of the problem and the apparent inability to take on board what everyone is saying.

There has been plenty talk of partnership and engagement, but those warm words are worryingly hollow. I worry that the lack of understanding of the true partnership that is required between local authorities and private providers is preventing any meaningful progress from ever being made. If the expansion is to succeed, that needs to change—and it needs to change now.

Although there is cross-party support for the 1,140 hours target, we have to take a sensible, practical approach to expanding childcare. In this day and age, flexibility is the number 1 childcare concern for many parents, but 90 per cent of council nurseries do not provide full-working-day childcare places and almost none of them offers places that start before 8 in the morning or which last until after quarter past five in the evening. That is just not adequate, because many parents and carers work outside the available time windows. As it stands, many parents are unable to access their full entitlement due to full-time work commitments.

Often, it is private providers that can offer more flexible hours, but if the partnership continues to break down, they will go out of business and that flexibility will disappear.

I hope that all parties will support the Conservative motion and Labour’s amendment. We all want Scotland to have a successful childcare system; we are all behind the 1,140 hours. Unfortunately, however, since the big headline announcement four years ago, the Scottish Government’s implementation has been poorly planned, staggeringly unclear and damaging to children, parents and nurseries throughout Scotland.

I move,

That the Parliament is committed to improving the availability of, and flexibility in, the provision of high-quality childcare; recognises that, in order to deliver the Scottish Government’s ambitions, there has to be much more effective partnership working between state and private sector providers; is very concerned therefore at the recent findings that have been issued by the National Day Nurseries Association, which show that fewer than one-third of private sector providers are currently in a position to expand place numbers because they feel that there has been a lack of engagement from both the Scottish Government and some local authorities when addressing their concerns about access to capital funding and the lower payments being made to many private sector providers; believes that these concerns are in line with those set out by Audit Scotland earlier in 2018, when it reported that there were “significant risks” within the current Scottish Government policy on childcare, and demands urgent action from the Scottish Ministers to ensure that private sector providers, as well as state sector providers, are able to meet their full potential when it comes to delivering expanded childcare.

16:01  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14521, in the name of Alison Harris, on early years. I ask those who wish to speak in the debate to press...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to bring this debate to the Parliament today. The motion in my name addresses a few serious points that, thus far, hav...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
I would be more than happy to write to clarify the position. There is an issue around state aid in respect of local authorities providing capital funding dir...
Alison Harris Con
I would like the minister to do that straight away, please, because there is confusion. The fact that the minister mentioned one local authority although the...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
From August 2020, all three and four-year-olds and eligible two-year-olds will be entitled to 1,140 hours of high-quality early learning and childcare. Thous...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I totally accept the Scottish Government’s aims and ambitions, but does the minister recognise that one sector feels very disadvantaged in promoting the Gove...
Maree Todd SNP
Indeed, and I reiterate that this Government’s view is that the private sector will be crucial to our delivery of this ambition. I will update Parliament la...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The minister rightly talks about the importance of standards and the necessity of paying people the real living wage. How does that square with the fact that...
Maree Todd SNP
The funding deal that we reached with COSLA in April secures the money that is required to ensure the delivery of the living wage commitment. That landmark £...
Liz Smith Con
The concern is that far too many local authorities are not engaging in such partnership working. Will the minister clarify—particularly in light of what some...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will need to be quick, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
I do not agree that that is the case throughout the country. I agree that there are pockets of troublesome, difficult and challenging partnership relationshi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please.
Maree Todd SNP
We have heard providers’ concerns about sustainability, relationship difficulties, workforce challenges and the need to communicate clearly with parents and ...
Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Alison Harris for lodging her motion for debate. Childcare is an important issue that impacts on the lives of thousands of families up and down the ...
Maree Todd SNP
There are 34,500 staff working in ELC across Scotland, 25,500 of whom are providing funded placements.
Mary Fee Lab
I thank the minister for that clarification. We know that 11,000 more childcare workers are needed by 2020. I appreciate that the minister has updated us on ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Does Mary Fee accept that the funding arrangements that the Scottish Government has agreed with local authorities entirely address the issue about the rates ...
Mary Fee Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that very helpful contribution and clarification. Confidence in the private sector about delivering the policy is plummeti...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
I call Tavish Scott to open the debate for the Liberal Democrats. 16:14
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. You caught me slightly unawares there, as I was looking towards the Green Party benches for the next speaker, but there we are....
John Swinney SNP
Will Mr Scott give way?
Tavish Scott LD
I will happily give way, but I would like to finish my point.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am sorry, cabinet secretary, but Mr Scott will not be able to take an intervention. Perhaps the point could be covered in your closing remarks.
Tavish Scott LD
There must be a happy balance somewhere when it comes to the necessity of auditing the use of public money and dealing with the range of reporting that is no...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Scott. I apologise for not giving you notice that you were about to be called. There was no speaker for the Scottish Green Party this afternoon...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to today’s debate on what I believe is potentially one of the most important and far-reaching pieces of legislation c...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Does the member recognise that we are in the pilot stage of the delivery and that, although some of the mechanisms used might not have been ideal, we want to...
Brian Whittle Con
The people Clare Adamson needs to speak to are those in the gallery who brought the issue to my attention. I think that 2020 will be too late and that ballot...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
There is no doubt that there is cross-party support for the transformation of free childcare to 1,140 hours. No one can argue that giving children the best-q...