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Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2018

31 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Early Years

The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to bring this debate to the Parliament today. The motion in my name addresses a few serious points that, thus far, have been ignored by the Scottish Government. I hope that we can reach cross-party agreement today and send a signal to all the hardworking childcare partnerships in Scotland that their concerns will be addressed.

Four years ago, the Scottish National Party pledged to almost double childcare provision from 600 hours a year to 1,140 hours a year by August 2020 for all three and four-year-olds, and some eligible two-year-olds. It was quite the headline, but one question lingered: how would that be achieved?

It is clear that there has been a distinct lack of planning in following through on that promise, and if it is left to continue at its current pace, the 2020 target will not be met—in fact, the level of provision is likely to decrease. Almost half of the nurseries say that they are unlikely to meet the target of 1,140 hours, with many pointing to underfunding as a significant barrier to doing so. That has been echoed by Audit Scotland, which, in its recent report on the expansion of childcare provision, highlighted a staggering black hole of £160 million a year in the policy’s funding.

The motion focuses on one of the main reasons why the policy is failing: the lack of inclusion of the private sector, despite the minister’s constant assurances that it is a valued partner. There are more than 6,000 private childcare providers in Scotland. They play a huge part in developing Scotland’s children, but they are being swept aside. I have met several partnerships and local authorities, and one theme has been prevalent. There is a total lack of consistency and understanding in the roll-out of the 1,140 hours policy across local authorities.

The issues that private providers face can be boiled down to three major problem areas: the revenue funding rates across local authorities, the catastrophic staffing drain, and the lack of access to capital funding for private providers.

As things stand, there is no standard hourly rate of funding across Scotland. That means that private providers in some local authority areas receive significantly less than those in other local authority areas. Private providers receive varying rates across council areas, from £3.75 to £4.50 to £5.31. There is material variation and a total lack of consistency.

There is one thing that I want to make clear. The private sector nurseries are not big, multinational corporations; they are usually small, independent organisations with very tight profit margins. In operating at such a level, the slightest change in external factors can lead to difficult business decisions needing to be made. The lack of top-line funding prevents private nurseries from being able to pay many of their staff even the living wage, and the impact of that is that local authorities are able to attract staff who work in private nurseries to work for more money and fewer hours. That has a devastating impact on private providers and is causing a mass exodus of their childcare staff, which will ultimately affect the delivery of high-quality childcare in the long run.

That is why the Scottish Conservatives will support Mary Fee’s amendment. The staffing problem is a huge thorn in the side of the feasibility of the policy in delivering good-quality childcare for children across Scotland.

I turn to the third and possibly the most avoidable problem that private providers face: the lack of access to capital funding. Capital funding is supposed to be available to all childcare providers, but many private providers that I have met have noted with frustration that local authorities are denying them access to funding and instead almost exclusively awarding it to their own council-run nurseries, without even considering private partnerships. Worse than that, there is confusion in several local authorities about whether private providers are entitled to receive capital funding. Yesterday, I spoke to representatives from one local authority who were quite indignant at the idea of private providers expecting to receive capital funding. Another local authority basically said, “Oh no. They’re not entitled to that.”

That can be cleared up today. Will the minister write to each and every local authority to make clear the correct position regarding access to capital funding? I would be happy to give way to her now if she will confirm that she will do that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14521, in the name of Alison Harris, on early years. I ask those who wish to speak in the debate to press...
Alison Harris (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives are pleased to bring this debate to the Parliament today. The motion in my name addresses a few serious points that, thus far, hav...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
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Alison Harris Con
I would like the minister to do that straight away, please, because there is confusion. The fact that the minister mentioned one local authority although the...
The Minister for Children and Young People (Maree Todd) SNP
From August 2020, all three and four-year-olds and eligible two-year-olds will be entitled to 1,140 hours of high-quality early learning and childcare. Thous...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I totally accept the Scottish Government’s aims and ambitions, but does the minister recognise that one sector feels very disadvantaged in promoting the Gove...
Maree Todd SNP
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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Maree Todd SNP
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Liz Smith Con
The concern is that far too many local authorities are not engaging in such partnership working. Will the minister clarify—particularly in light of what some...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You will need to be quick, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Come to a close, please.
Maree Todd SNP
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Mary Fee (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Alison Harris for lodging her motion for debate. Childcare is an important issue that impacts on the lives of thousands of families up and down the ...
Maree Todd SNP
There are 34,500 staff working in ELC across Scotland, 25,500 of whom are providing funded placements.
Mary Fee Lab
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Does Mary Fee accept that the funding arrangements that the Scottish Government has agreed with local authorities entirely address the issue about the rates ...
Mary Fee Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that very helpful contribution and clarification. Confidence in the private sector about delivering the policy is plummeti...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
I call Tavish Scott to open the debate for the Liberal Democrats. 16:14
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. You caught me slightly unawares there, as I was looking towards the Green Party benches for the next speaker, but there we are....
John Swinney SNP
Will Mr Scott give way?
Tavish Scott LD
I will happily give way, but I would like to finish my point.
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am sorry, cabinet secretary, but Mr Scott will not be able to take an intervention. Perhaps the point could be covered in your closing remarks.
Tavish Scott LD
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Thank you, Mr Scott. I apologise for not giving you notice that you were about to be called. There was no speaker for the Scottish Green Party this afternoon...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to contribute to today’s debate on what I believe is potentially one of the most important and far-reaching pieces of legislation c...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
Does the member recognise that we are in the pilot stage of the delivery and that, although some of the mechanisms used might not have been ideal, we want to...
Brian Whittle Con
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Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
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