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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 31 October 2018

31 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Ferry Services
Finnie, John Green Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

We heard where the Conservatives are really coming from when we heard their references to tendering. I certainly align myself with Colin Smyth’s comments about the Scottish Government’s lost opportunity regarding the northern isles route. How such opportunities are treated sends a very clear message about its direction of travel and its philosophy. I have to say that that was a missed opportunity.

The Scottish Greens will also support the Scottish Labour Party’s amendment, because it narrates very important proposals, including on an implementation and delivery plan and a 30-year programme of shipbuilding work. That is important when considered in the context of the duration for which a ferry can survive.

I also want to thank the staff for their hard work. There is no doubt that the drip feed of negative comment that comes out has an impact, and we need to understand that increased funding is important. The Green amendment, which was not selected for debate, mentioned increased funding being essential. I am very happy to explain where we would get that funding from, because it is important that people understand that. We would not have spent £6 billion on two roads, or £0.75 billion on the M8, or money on the Aberdeen western peripheral route.

The replacement vessel on the Ullapool to Stornoway route might not have served Lewis and Leodhasachs well, but it has certainly served Lloyds Bank, which has benefited very much from it. The deal will cost taxpayers £67 million by 2022, at which point the bankers will still own the vessel and there will be a requirement to negotiate a new lease. When we read about funding models elsewhere, that is certainly not a model that we would want to see replicated.

The Government has a number of questions to answer regarding the situation, but Jamie Greene alluded to the report from the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee that came out this morning. It is significant that the Highlands and Islands transport partnership noted that no new major vessels entered the service between 2001 and 2011. That has a significant impact when we are looking at the lifespan of vessels, and there is a collective responsibility to resolve the situation. If difficulties had occurred on our road network such as have occurred on our ferry network, the issue would have been given a much higher profile.

I welcome the fact that we are debating the issue. What I do not welcome is the fact that I read about CMAL describing things as being “commercially confidential” and so on: it is public money. I hope that Conservative members will keep on nodding when I say that I want a ferry service that is run exclusively in the public interest—or not for profit, as we would say elsewhere. I see that their nodding has stopped.

The reality is that we need to ensure that we have a coherent plan and a coherent method.

15:06  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14520, in the name of Jamie Greene, on concern over the state of Scotland’s ferry services. 14:41
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank those on the ground who care passionately about delivering Scotland’s ferry services, those who work on board our vessels in our ports and harbours, ...
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
If Jamie Greene is making assertions about the role of the Scottish Government, does he recognise that, over the past decade—certainly since 2010—we have fac...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Greene, do not fret: I will give you your time back. However, you must not get up and stand while another member is speaking, anxious though you are.
Jamie Greene Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. My goodness, the minister has an absolute cheek to stand up and tell members that it is somebody else’s fault that the ferry s...
The Minister for Energy, Connectivity and the Islands (Paul Wheelhouse) SNP
The Scottish Government recognises that our ferry services must strive to match the aspirations of the communities that they serve by providing lifeline serv...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The minister has twice said to the chamber something that is manifestly untrue. He has stated twice that the Scottish Government’s budget has been reduced by...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That was a long intervention, so I will give you the time back, minister.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I absolutely do not accept Mr Fraser’s assessment. I say with respect to Mr Fraser that to refer to financial transactions fun...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Will the minister take an intervention?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I am short of time, but I will try to let Mr Scott in later. That support has delivered the introduction of new routes, service enhancements and strengthene...
Tavish Scott LD
Will the minister give way?
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
May I bring in Mr Scott, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. You are closing, so if do you, you are—
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I thought that I had additional time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You have, but you had only six minutes and you are getting just slightly over that.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Okay. I apologise to Mr Scott. Those are quite properly long-term measures. Given the scale of investment, it is important that we take an informed, strateg...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please conclude and move your amendment, minister.
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
I thank you for your forbearance, Presiding Officer. I ask members to support my amendment. I move amendment S5M-14520.4, to leave out from “raises” to end ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Colin Smyth to speak to and move amendment S5M-14520.3. You have five minutes, Mr Smyth. 14:56
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is no exaggeration to say that Scotland’s ferry network provides a lifeline for communities. In evidence to the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does Colin Smyth think that there is scope for varying fares, so that there could be a slightly higher fare at peak times, to try to even out demand?
Colin Smyth Lab
I do not think that that would go down particularly well with the people who would be looking at the prospect of higher fares. The issue is that the RET, whi...
Paul Wheelhouse SNP
Will Colin Smyth take an intervention?
Colin Smyth Lab
I will, if I have time.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You have not, really.
Colin Smyth Lab
Overall, the Government does not seem to recognise that ferries—as all public transport does—provide a vital public service. That lack of recognition is summ...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The Scottish Green Party will support the Conservative motion tonight. It is very difficult to take issue with it, although I always try to take issue with e...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Excuse me, Mr Finnie. Could you pull your microphone towards you a wee bit?
John Finnie Green
We heard where the Conservatives are really coming from when we heard their references to tendering. I certainly align myself with Colin Smyth’s comments abo...