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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 30 October 2018

30 Oct 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Digital Inclusion
Cameron, Donald Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I take this somewhat belated opportunity to welcome Kate Forbes to the front bench. Representing my home constituency, she will be well aware of the problems of digital connectivity in our part of the world. I am delighted that she is representing the Government in this particular brief.

It is vital that we ensure not only that Scotland is one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world, but that our citizens are the most technologically capable. By doing so, we can further grow our economy, create new jobs and remain competitive as a nation. We all know of the need to improve productivity in Scotland and, without doubt, digital inclusion is one of the many aspects of the solution to that pressing problem. Digital inclusion is also a practical necessity for people in their everyday lives, as new technologies can improve quality of life and improve personal health—to mention only a few of the many advantages that accrue from digital inclusion.

However, age barriers, lack of early intervention through education, the impact of disabilities and geographical location are just some of the barriers that exist. Frequently, when there is an issue of access—let us be brutally honest—that is because such access is unaffordable. As the Scottish Council for Voluntary Organisations notes, the evidence clearly shows that digital exclusion exacerbates existing deep-rooted inequalities, and affordability is a key barrier to those in the poorest communities.

The SCVO also states that 21 per cent of people in Scotland do not have basic digital skills. Given the ever-increasing significance of digital inclusion, the fact that people are being excluded due to the sheer cost should shame us all. In a report that was published earlier this year, Citizens Advice Scotland found that just over one third of respondents said they either “had difficulty” or “could not use” a computer.

In my Highlands and Islands region, there are still issues with the lack of reliable broadband and mobile internet access, which pose huge problems for local businesses and residences. I will come back to that later.

The Scottish Conservatives welcome efforts to improve the inclusivity of technology and increase access to it, and we welcome its inclusion in the Scottish Government’s digital strategy for Scotland. However, we will hold to account the Scottish National Party Government on those commitments to ensure that they come to fruition.

I readily acknowledge that digital inclusion is an issue that requires cross-party co-operation, but it is incumbent on me to set out our concerns that existing support schemes that could be used to improve digital inclusivity have not had the impact that might have been desired. For example, we note that it took more than a year for the Scottish Government to invest any money from the digital growth fund that it announced last year. Similarly, the Scottish growth scheme that was designed to support business has paid out only £25 million in two years, which is a far cry from the £500 million that was pledged to the scheme when it was launched. Although those two funds undoubtedly cover a variety of areas, it is concerning that such little progress has been achieved by them, and I ask the SNP Government to reflect on that.

However, we welcome the Government’s recognition of the “Living Digitally – An evaluation of the CleverCogs™ digital care and support system” report by Carnegie UK Trust and Just Economics Research Ltd, which focuses on a system that is designed to help people with disabilities to access the internet with confidence. That is just one example of collaboration between the public, private and voluntary sectors. In particular, I acknowledge remarks in the report about the CleverCogs system, which the minister mentioned, which showed increased happiness and reduced feelings of depression among its users.

It is important that we ensure that every young person is able to access and benefit from digital technology. I found it particularly striking that, according to Citizens Advice Scotland, those in the least deprived areas are twice as likely to be able to “use a computer well” as those in the most deprived areas. It is imperative that there is early intervention for young people in order to alter those trends.

However, to achieve those aims and reduce digital inequality, we need to ensure that there is adequate infrastructure to facilitate that in the first place. Although this is too interesting and nuanced a debate to lapse into the usual arguments about who is responsible for broadband in Scotland, it is important to put on record that we continue to support the aims of the reaching 100 per cent—R100—programme.

As a Highlands and Islands MSP, I know all too well the importance of ensuring that every home, no matter how rural or remote, can access fast and reliable broadband. According to Audit Scotland, average broadband speeds continue to be lowest in rural areas, and of the 376,000 households that are still unable to access superfast broadband, less than half will be able to do so by the R100 deadline of 2021. I mention that simply as a reminder that we still have a long way to go to deliver the vital infrastructure that is necessary to afford all our citizens the opportunity to benefit from digital technology. That is why we noted that in our amendment.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
Our next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-14509, in the name of Kate Forbes, on a digital society for all: working together to maximise the benefit...
The Minister for Public Finance and Digital Economy (Kate Forbes) SNP
I am pleased to debate how Scotland can become a digital society for all and how we are already well on our way to doing so. I thank the members who signed t...
The Minister for Business, Fair Work and Skills (Jamie Hepburn) SNP
She did.
Kate Forbes SNP
Good. Mandy, who uses a tablet, was the recipient of the service user achievement award for pioneering the system by tutoring her neighbours in the technolog...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
My point is less about the delivery of the infrastructure and more about the skills that are required to use it. If it is true that one in five people in Sco...
Kate Forbes SNP
That is a vitally important point. Digital skills are not just something that we should deliver to a particular section of the society. By the time that we g...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I take this somewhat belated opportunity to welcome Kate Forbes to the front bench. Representing my home constituency, she will be well aware of the problems...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
The member appears to have cast doubt on the delivery of the R100 programme to 100 per cent of Scottish premises by 2021. On what basis does he claim that on...
Donald Cameron Con
Quite simply, that is based on the Audit Scotland report that I mentioned. I will move on and provide some local examples. It is easy to talk about digital ...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome Kate Forbes to her new ministerial role and wish her well. Today, almost every aspect of society has been transformed by technological advancement...
Kate Forbes SNP
I recognise the comments that the member has made about infrastructure. What is his view on how we ensure that, where there is adequate infrastructure, those...
Colin Smyth Lab
Kate Forbes raises a very important point, which I will deal with in my speech. A large number of groups, whether it is because of income, disability, age or...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
As others have done, I welcome Kate Forbes to her position. I think that this is the first time that I have been in a debate with her in her new role in the ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
On behalf of the Liberal Democrats, I welcome Kate Forbes to her new role. We wish her well because she knows, as we all do, that delivering the Scottish Gov...
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
What a shame.
Mike Rumbles LD
I point out to Mr Lyle that, in my amendment, I was trying to be helpful to the Scottish Government. Its target is for 100 per cent coverage by December 2021...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
No, it was not.
Mike Rumbles LD
I have read the manifesto; I am not sure whether the member has done so. I am sure that the Scottish Government could bring forward the date, if it had the ...
Kate Forbes SNP
Like Mike Rumbles, I believe that universal connectivity is vital. However, my question to him, which is put in a constructive spirit, is about the fact that...
Mike Rumbles LD
The minister makes a good point. In the same spirit, I say that there is no point in educating people and helping them if they cannot access the service firs...
Richard Lyle SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike Rumbles LD
Not on this point. I would rather make my point first; I am running out of time.
Richard Lyle SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Lyle, please sit down.
Mike Rumbles LD
If I had more time, I would be delighted to.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Lyle, the member has said that he does not wish to take an intervention. Please respect that.
Mike Rumbles LD
I say to Richard Lyle that I would certainly take his intervention if I had more time. As I was saying, there is no need to remind me that this is a reserve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to the open debate. Speeches should be of up to six minutes, please. We are a bit pushed for time; no extra time can be allowed. 15:37
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in today’s debate as a representative of the South Scotland region, which is a rural area that has faced challenges in digital competen...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome Kate Forbes to her role. The renewed focus on the digital economy, connectivity and digital inclusion is welcomed by the Conservatives. After I was...