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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 September 2018

19 Sep 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Primary 1 Tests
Swinney, John SNP Perthshire North Watch on SPTV

I am saying nothing of the sort. I am saying that teachers, in working their way through the assessments, will have greater clarity about the performance of individual young people against the standards across the country—the benchmarks for what we expect from curriculum for excellence. I am talking about the levels that are achieved by young people across the country, not the results across the country.

The assessments are high quality and are delivered as part of everyday learning. They provide teachers with a detailed breakdown against core skills, and they highlight not only where a child might need additional support to achieve the relevant standards, but where a child might be excelling and might require additional challenges. That is in keeping with the Government’s twin aims of closing the attainment gap and raising standards.

Crucially—this relates to part of Liz Smith’s motion—the assessments are designed to fit compatibly with the early level of curriculum for excellence, which is a play-based level. It is therefore appropriate that only a small amount of time—less than an hour in one year, on average—is taken to ensure that the play-based learning that is undertaken by children is equipping them with the core skills that we believe they should acquire by the end of P1. Without that assessment, we will run the risk that the needs of children in progressing on to the first level of CFE might not be effectively served by our education system.

If the assessment is administered correctly, a child will take part in it as part of their normal class work and it will not feel different from any other task that they are asked to do.

I have dealt with the education arguments; I want now to turn to some of the political issues. I acknowledge the long-standing hostility of the Greens and the Liberal Democrats to such testing. They are entitled to their view, but I do not share it. I point out to them that they are hostile to all standardised assessments and that they are being asked to vote for that in the Conservative motion.

I am appalled by the Conservative Party. When the First Minister announced national standardised assessment in September 2015, Ruth Davidson responded in the chamber by saying:

“I am pleased that our repeated and sustained calls for standardised assessments to be introduced in schools have been heeded.”—[Official Report, 1 September 2015; c 31.]

The Conservative manifesto in 2016 said that the Scottish Government should

“design the new standardised tests at P1, P4 and P7 to fit into these international methodologies”

and claimed credit for the introduction of national assessment.

This morning, Liz Smith said that the Conservatives had changed their mind on P1 assessment. That was not what she said on 28 August, when she said:

“The Scottish Conservatives have never been in favour of formal standardised national tests in Primary 1”.

That statement is untrue. It demonstrates the deceit that is at the heart of the Conservative motion today.

Last week, the Conservatives were demanding more school data; this week, they want less. In 2016, the Conservatives supported P1 assessment, but today they do not. There is only one conclusion to draw: the Conservatives are playing politics with the education of our children. We will not play along with them.

I move amendment S5M-13945.1, to leave out from “considers” to end and insert:

“recognises that assessments are a key tool to inform teachers; professional judgment of the needs of the children and young people that they are teaching; agrees that the assessments are delivered as part of everyday learning and provide consistent evidence for teachers to identify the next steps in a child's education; further agrees that this is especially valuable in P1 if closing the attainment gap is to continue; recognises that the assessments are not high stakes, there is no pass or fail, and that they should never cause stress to young children, and welcomes the changes and improvements already made following the first year of operation to ensure a better experience for younger pupils and provide extra reassurance to teachers and parents.”

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-13945, in the name of Liz Smith, on primary 1 tests. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives are very pleased to bring this debate to Parliament, because we believe that it is of crucial educational importance. I am sure th...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Is the member aware that currently 29 councils across Scotland carry out P1 assessments? Will she call today for those councils to halt the assessments, or w...
Liz Smith Con
I am very well aware of exactly what councils are saying just now. In some of those very same councils, teachers are speaking out loud and clear about their ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
Liz Smith said that the Conservative Party was supportive of P1 assessments in 2016. On 28 August 2018, Liz Smith issued these words: “The Scottish Conserva...
Liz Smith Con
I recognise that we made a mistake about primary 1. I just say to the SNP that this, coming from a party that in two programmes for government—in 2016 and 20...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will not do so at the moment, if the member does not mind. In my teacher training years, I remember exactly the same debate taking place among primary tea...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is the member aware that on 17 September 2017 Justine Greening announced a mandatory test for pre-school children, and that on 18 April 2018 a contract was p...
Liz Smith Con
Thank you, Mr Stevenson. Yes, I am aware of that. The same debate is happening in England, Wales and many other places—it is not unique to Scotland. I would...
John Swinney SNP
Does Liz Smith not accept that the issues that she recounts from a primary schoolteacher, which are entirely reasonable, should lead us to the conclusion tha...
Liz Smith Con
No. Scottish Conservatives disagree with that. Given the evidence that has been piling up over the past two years, we consider that the time has come to call...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
When we make decisions about the future of our children’s education, it is important that we have available to us dispassionate expert opinion to help us to ...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I wonder whether the cabinet secretary had time to listen to Professor Jim Scott’s comments this morning in the Education and Skills Committee. He said that ...
John Swinney SNP
I have just set out why we need the assessments: the OECD told us—
Oliver Mundell Con
Where is the evidence?
John Swinney SNP
I am just marshalling the issue. Interruption. We sought external independent opinion, which said that we did not have enough information about learning outc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, cabinet secretary, but before we carry on, I have a point to make. Mr Mundell—you are annoying me with your barracking. If you want to say someth...
John Swinney SNP
The president of the Association of Directors of Education in Scotland made the point, in the letter that she authored with my officials to directors of educ...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
When Mr Swinney made a statement a couple of weeks ago, I asked him whether he knew how many of those local authorities had replaced the previously used diag...
John Swinney SNP
East Renfrewshire, for example, is a long-established assessment authority. It wants consistency between the SNSA and the historical model that it has been u...
Liz Smith Con
When it comes to raising standards across the board, which is what we all want, what evidence does the cabinet secretary have to support his approach? With r...
John Swinney SNP
The key point here goes back to the quotation from the OECD that I read out at the beginning of my speech. Essentially, we do not have enough information abo...
Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Is the data being collected at national level? We have been advised that it would not be collected at national level, but the cabinet secretary seems to be s...
John Swinney SNP
I am saying nothing of the sort. I am saying that teachers, in working their way through the assessments, will have greater clarity about the performance of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am giving speakers a little extra time—Liz Smith could have had that, too—as we have time in hand. There were a lot of interventions. If anybody is wonderi...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I am clear that we on the Labour side of the chamber have no problem with teachers assessing pupils’ learning. Teachers assess pupils’ learning every day usi...
John Swinney SNP
Mr Gray said that we use the standardised assessments to judge performance around the country, but that is not the case. We use information from teachers’ pr...
Iain Gray Lab
The survey is certainly not a diagnostic learning tool, and it was never claimed to be. It is a summative survey tool. Later on, I will go into a little deta...
John Swinney SNP
I acknowledge that many teachers do not like the standardised assessments. Equally, many other teachers like them. The issue was illustrated to me this morni...