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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 September 2018

19 Sep 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Primary 1 Tests
Smith, Liz Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

No. Scottish Conservatives disagree with that. Given the evidence that has been piling up over the past two years, we consider that the time has come to call a halt, reconsider the evidence that is very much before us and evaluate the best way of progressing primary 1 pupils.

Let me come to the concerns from other education professionals. The cabinet secretary knows that, initially, his economic advisers were included in that group. Again, there are some mixed views, and it would be wrong to suggest otherwise. However, there is a common theme coming through what they are saying—whether it be Sue Ellis, Lindsay Paterson or Sue Palmer, all of whom I greatly respect in this debate. They have differing views, but in each case they make one fundamental point: the issue is not just about their being able to measure outcomes but that any form of assessment or test must be meaningful. The Scottish Government must ensure that all teachers who use the test feel entirely comfortable with what they are being asked to do. On that last point, it is very clear to me that many primary 1 teachers currently do not feel at all comfortable, which is why this debate is so important.

When pressed on some of the concerns about the content of the current P1 tests, John Swinney said, in August this year:

“If we need to look ... again and reflect on the feedback to make sure the guidance is appropriate for the process then we will do that to guarantee young people have the type of educational experience we want them to have.”

I believe that that was a recognition that there were some serious issues to be addressed. The cabinet secretary knows, I think, that that is what many teachers want him to do. He knows, too, that the advice provided about the P1 tests—including what the rights of parents are—has been confused and muddled; that point was made by Lindsay Paterson in his article last week.

The Conservatives have been accused of being interested in nothing other than political opportunism and jumping on a bandwagon. If that were true, it would not be possible to find on the record comment from me and several of my colleagues, on several occasions in the course of the past two years, questioning the educational value of primary 1 testing. As a party, we continue to have such misgivings, and we are listening to what is being said by those who are being asked to deliver the tests. That is why I am proposing this motion, which asks the Scottish Government to stop and think, and to halt the primary 1 tests so that we can reconsider the facts that are before us and the whole approach to evaluating pupil progress in primary 1.

I move,

That the Parliament believes that good-quality pupil assessment is an essential component of the drive to raise educational standards in Scotland's schools, but notes the level of concern that has been raised by teachers and other education professionals regarding the introduction and delivery of new testing arrangements for Primary 1 (P1) pupils; considers that this concern questions whether the new P1 tests are in line with the play-based learning philosophy of early years provision in the curriculum for excellence, and, in light of this concern, calls on the Scottish Government to halt the tests in P1 and to reconsider the evidence and the whole approach to evaluating the progress of P1 pupils.

14:54  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-13945, in the name of Liz Smith, on primary 1 tests. I invite members who wish to speak in the debate to ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives are very pleased to bring this debate to Parliament, because we believe that it is of crucial educational importance. I am sure th...
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
Is the member aware that currently 29 councils across Scotland carry out P1 assessments? Will she call today for those councils to halt the assessments, or w...
Liz Smith Con
I am very well aware of exactly what councils are saying just now. In some of those very same councils, teachers are speaking out loud and clear about their ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
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Liz Smith Con
I recognise that we made a mistake about primary 1. I just say to the SNP that this, coming from a party that in two programmes for government—in 2016 and 20...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
I will not do so at the moment, if the member does not mind. In my teacher training years, I remember exactly the same debate taking place among primary tea...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is the member aware that on 17 September 2017 Justine Greening announced a mandatory test for pre-school children, and that on 18 April 2018 a contract was p...
Liz Smith Con
Thank you, Mr Stevenson. Yes, I am aware of that. The same debate is happening in England, Wales and many other places—it is not unique to Scotland. I would...
John Swinney SNP
Does Liz Smith not accept that the issues that she recounts from a primary schoolteacher, which are entirely reasonable, should lead us to the conclusion tha...
Liz Smith Con
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The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
When we make decisions about the future of our children’s education, it is important that we have available to us dispassionate expert opinion to help us to ...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
I wonder whether the cabinet secretary had time to listen to Professor Jim Scott’s comments this morning in the Education and Skills Committee. He said that ...
John Swinney SNP
I have just set out why we need the assessments: the OECD told us—
Oliver Mundell Con
Where is the evidence?
John Swinney SNP
I am just marshalling the issue. Interruption. We sought external independent opinion, which said that we did not have enough information about learning outc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, cabinet secretary, but before we carry on, I have a point to make. Mr Mundell—you are annoying me with your barracking. If you want to say someth...
John Swinney SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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John Swinney SNP
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Liz Smith Con
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John Swinney SNP
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Johann Lamont (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Is the data being collected at national level? We have been advised that it would not be collected at national level, but the cabinet secretary seems to be s...
John Swinney SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am giving speakers a little extra time—Liz Smith could have had that, too—as we have time in hand. There were a lot of interventions. If anybody is wonderi...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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John Swinney SNP
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John Swinney SNP
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