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Meeting of the Parliament 20 June 2018

20 Jun 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Freedom of Information (Scottish Government Request Handling and Record Keeping)
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

It is often the case that when people talk of democracy they think of voting, and when they talk of Parliament they think of powers, but the reality is that democracy and Parliament are reliant on much more than those simple narrow factors. Civil liberties, the rule of law, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and the transparency of Government are all vital to the work that we do in Parliament. Government of the people for the people demands transparency, because without it we cannot know what the Government is doing in our name and in our interests.

That why the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 was such an important addition to the statute book, and it has been shown to work. From high-profile scandals to the day-to-day statistics that we use in Parliament, the act is an important part of our democracy.

The Scottish Information Commissioner’s report is so concerning because it points to Government conduct and behaviours that do not uphold that important aspect of our democracy—from a lack of clarity on request handling, to the influence of special advisers on clearance and as a filtering function, to evidence of deliberate delays of information while communications plans are put in place, to inadequate record keeping. Perhaps the most worrying finding is that there is a twin-track FOI process—for members of the public and for members of the press and MSPs.

The minister would do well to take the commissioner’s words more seriously. He said:

“changes are required for consistency with both the letter and spirit of FOI law”.

It is not good enough to dodge the question whether the law has been broken; the question is in the report for the Government to answer. The seriousness of the commissioner’s report is made clear by the fact that he requires that changes be made by September this year.

The reality is that the Scottish Government is failing to uphold the standards that we all expect of it when it comes to transparency. That is not limited to freedom of information. It is disappointing that the minister confined his remarks to freedom of information requests, because the issue is much broader than that, and includes even the most basic and fundamental matter of ministerial correspondence. Correspondence might seem to be mundane, but it is vital to the work that we do in Parliament. It is the lifeblood of what we do to gain answers and insights for our constituents.

However, the reality is that, even on correspondence, the Government is falling behind our expectations. Simple acknowledgements are taking two weeks or more to be sent, which means that constituents regularly wait for six weeks or more, and up to 10 weeks, to gain answers. It is the same old wheeze that we see time and again in the public sector: acknowledgement is delayed in order to gain more time to provide answers and observe due process.

I would like the minister to provide clarity on the Government’s view on whether it needs to do better on minutes. Understanding of who the Government is meeting and for what purposes, and of what commitments have been given when it has had meetings is vital.

I gently suggest that the Government look at the work of the mayor of London’s office. On 19 April, the deputy mayor met the deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police with two officials from City hall. I can tell members that because the minutes are published bi-monthly: the information is on the office’s website. That is simple and straightforward. There is not a lot of detail, but there is enough to see who was there and what was discussed. That is a simple suggestion. The approach is not very complicated, and I fail to understand why the Government cannot be open and transparent about whom it meets and when it meets them.

15:13  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12861, in the name of Rhoda Grant, on a review of Scottish Government freedom of information request hand...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
The intervention report from the Scottish Information Commissioner exposes the utter contempt in which this Scottish National Party Government holds the free...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I speak as someone who ceased to be a minister six years ago and who, for three years after being a minister, continued to be asked for confirmation about FO...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It is surely for the minister to ensure that his answer to an FOI request is right because, ultimately, the Government is responsible. If a minister needs to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
If you want your motion to be voted on, you had better move it.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I move, That the Parliament notes the concerns raised on Scottish Government transparency in the intervention report from the Scottish Information Commissio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Joe FitzPatrick, who has a tight six minutes. 14:48
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
In speaking to the amendment in my name, I thank Rhoda Grant for giving us the opportunity to further debate the Scottish Information Commissioner’s interven...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will Joe FitzPatrick take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I will make some progress, if that is okay. Turning to today’s motion and its call for an independent review of FOI handling, I hope that no member doubts t...
Neil Findlay Lab
Before the minister moves on, will he tell members how many times his Government has broken the law in relation to FOI?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Neil Findlay makes a point that Andy Wightman raised during last week’s statement. They imply that the report suggested that the Government broke the law, bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, minister, you must conclude.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
—and help to ensure that FOISA remains fully effective in holding to account those who are responsible for delivering public services. I urge members to supp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, but we are very short of time—there is no time in hand. I call Edward Mountain to speak to and move amendment S5M-12861.1. You have five minutes,...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Tony Blair, the architect of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, later said of his creation: “Freedom of information. Three harmless words. I look at those...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The amendment talks about making “public the report on the government’s implementation of the action plan when approved annually.” The commissioner has com...
Edward Mountain Con
It is not my understanding that the commissioner has agreed to publish it annually—that is the point that I am making. I would like to see it published annua...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is that an instruction that the provider of information look further, to ensure that there is no additional information to be provided, or is it meant in som...
Edward Mountain Con
The way in which it is phrased gives a clear indication of what is to be achieved. It does not ask for more information; it asks about what information is to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is no time in hand, so I will be strict with timings. Andy Wightman, you have four minutes. 15:00
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I welcome the debate and endorse everything in the Labour motion. It seems unkind to be here again, giving the Government another kicking, but I hope that th...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Labour Party for securing the debate, for the significant reason that it allows us to retell the story of Alex Salmond’s tartan trousers...
Willie Rennie LD
I do, because it speaks to the wider problem, which is the Scottish Government’s addiction to secrecy. Even for such a simple issue as a pair of tartan trous...
Neil Findlay Lab
Although I do not really care much about Mr Salmond’s sartorial inelegance, I do care about the fact that he and other ministers go to Qatar to flog our publ...
Willie Rennie LD
That is absolutely right. I am sure that he bought a different pair of tartan trousers when he went to Qatar, because the other ones were not good enough. I...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
It is often the case that when people talk of democracy they think of voting, and when they talk of Parliament they think of powers, but the reality is that ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like other members, I welcome the debate and its generally serious tone because, as has been said already, the transparency of the Government, public agencie...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Macpherson is in his last minute.