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Meeting of the Parliament 20 June 2018

20 Jun 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Freedom of Information (Scottish Government Request Handling and Record Keeping)

That is absolutely right. I am sure that he bought a different pair of tartan trousers when he went to Qatar, because the other ones were not good enough.

I was intrigued by what the minister said in response to a question from a Labour member about whether the Government has ever broken the law. He dodged the question, which was intriguing. He gave an answer that was not quite an answer. I would like him, in summing up, to be clear about whether the Scottish Government has ever broken the law on freedom of information, because the dodging of the question told a bigger story.

The report is quite damning, because it shows that journalists and members of the Scottish Parliament were prevented from doing their jobs and from carrying out the scrutiny that we are elected to this Parliament to do: asking for and getting information from the Government and exposing the performance not just of ministers but of the Government as a whole. Special advisers were overruling officials to ensure that information was not being made public. Information was missing. There was a disregard for the statutory guidelines. All of that speaks to the addiction to secrecy that I mentioned.

I want to see the action plan, and I want to see progress on the action plan. Edward Mountain’s amendment is absolutely right.

Getting that right and sorting out the addiction to secrecy is not enough. Because of the expansion of outsourcing by the Government, the exposure and coverage of freedom of information legislation has been reduced. We spend about £11 billion on public procurement in the public sector. A lot of that money is spent on private companies, on which we have made some progress in the most recent set of changes although there are still a lot of private companies that are not subject to the scrutiny that they should be subject to.

I am pleased with the Government’s amendment. We worked on that amendment with the Government yesterday to ensure that it would not be defeated in Parliament today; nevertheless, it is progress. I want not just a consultation but real change and a commitment to real change, because we should be following the money. We should be following taxpayers’ money through a freedom of information regime that covers all public spending, not just what is spent strictly within the public sector.

I welcome the move today, and I welcome the fact that we are able to make some progress, but we need to make much greater progress if we are to change the addiction to secrecy that has got hold of the Scottish Government.

15:08  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12861, in the name of Rhoda Grant, on a review of Scottish Government freedom of information request hand...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
The intervention report from the Scottish Information Commissioner exposes the utter contempt in which this Scottish National Party Government holds the free...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I speak as someone who ceased to be a minister six years ago and who, for three years after being a minister, continued to be asked for confirmation about FO...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It is surely for the minister to ensure that his answer to an FOI request is right because, ultimately, the Government is responsible. If a minister needs to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
If you want your motion to be voted on, you had better move it.
Rhoda Grant Lab
I move, That the Parliament notes the concerns raised on Scottish Government transparency in the intervention report from the Scottish Information Commissio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Joe FitzPatrick, who has a tight six minutes. 14:48
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
In speaking to the amendment in my name, I thank Rhoda Grant for giving us the opportunity to further debate the Scottish Information Commissioner’s interven...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will Joe FitzPatrick take an intervention?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
I will make some progress, if that is okay. Turning to today’s motion and its call for an independent review of FOI handling, I hope that no member doubts t...
Neil Findlay Lab
Before the minister moves on, will he tell members how many times his Government has broken the law in relation to FOI?
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
Neil Findlay makes a point that Andy Wightman raised during last week’s statement. They imply that the report suggested that the Government broke the law, bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, minister, you must conclude.
Joe FitzPatrick SNP
—and help to ensure that FOISA remains fully effective in holding to account those who are responsible for delivering public services. I urge members to supp...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, but we are very short of time—there is no time in hand. I call Edward Mountain to speak to and move amendment S5M-12861.1. You have five minutes,...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Tony Blair, the architect of the Freedom of Information Act 2000, later said of his creation: “Freedom of information. Three harmless words. I look at those...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The amendment talks about making “public the report on the government’s implementation of the action plan when approved annually.” The commissioner has com...
Edward Mountain Con
It is not my understanding that the commissioner has agreed to publish it annually—that is the point that I am making. I would like to see it published annua...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is that an instruction that the provider of information look further, to ensure that there is no additional information to be provided, or is it meant in som...
Edward Mountain Con
The way in which it is phrased gives a clear indication of what is to be achieved. It does not ask for more information; it asks about what information is to...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is no time in hand, so I will be strict with timings. Andy Wightman, you have four minutes. 15:00
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I welcome the debate and endorse everything in the Labour motion. It seems unkind to be here again, giving the Government another kicking, but I hope that th...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I am grateful to the Labour Party for securing the debate, for the significant reason that it allows us to retell the story of Alex Salmond’s tartan trousers...
Willie Rennie LD
I do, because it speaks to the wider problem, which is the Scottish Government’s addiction to secrecy. Even for such a simple issue as a pair of tartan trous...
Neil Findlay Lab
Although I do not really care much about Mr Salmond’s sartorial inelegance, I do care about the fact that he and other ministers go to Qatar to flog our publ...
Willie Rennie LD
That is absolutely right. I am sure that he bought a different pair of tartan trousers when he went to Qatar, because the other ones were not good enough. I...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
It is often the case that when people talk of democracy they think of voting, and when they talk of Parliament they think of powers, but the reality is that ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like other members, I welcome the debate and its generally serious tone because, as has been said already, the transparency of the Government, public agencie...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Will the member give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
Mr Macpherson is in his last minute.