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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 13 June 2018

13 Jun 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health
Marra, Jenny Lab North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

There are thousands of stories behind the children’s mental health waiting times statistics. Each child has their own story of how their name came to be on the waiting list, becoming part of the bigger story that we debate today, and each of those stories will inform the child’s life and their decisions, paths and relationships. That is why waiting lists are most destructive for children, out of all sections of our society. A day is a long time in a child’s life, a week seems like an eternity and nearly eight months—the time that a child in Dundee has to wait for a CAMHS appointment—is unimaginable to them.

Last Monday, I visited Tayside’s children’s mental health service in the Dudhope centre in Dundee, where we have the highest CAMHS waiting list in Scotland. The average waiting times for CAMHS treatment is 23 weeks, which compares with the Scottish average waiting time of 10 weeks, which is still far too long. The main reason that I was given for the long waiting times was consultant vacancies. Tayside has four full-time equivalent CAMHS consultants when it requires seven. Rightly, all the cases are consultant led, so consultant shortages result in longer waits for every child on the list.

The Scottish Government is aware of the issue, but it needs to tackle it urgently. If we are not training enough psychiatrists—and we are not—we need to. The vacancies for GPs, hospital doctors and psychiatrists are in deprived areas, and the reality is that people in more deprived areas have longer waits for mental health services.

We train doctors in Scotland. No one—not the General Medical Council nor the British Medical Association—will give me an official figure, but I understand that we lose about 40 per cent of our trained doctors to New Zealand and Australia. Not only is that a huge brain drain, it is a failure of public policy that, although we invest and pay to train doctors at public expense, we are not able to employ them in the Scottish NHS.

I understand that the location of services is also an issue. To my mind, there is no good reason why consultants based in the CAMHS centre in each health board cannot work for a day in some of the localities. In Dundee, that might mean a day in Arbroath, Menzieshill or somewhere else in the health board area. A CAMHS referral is a significant matter for families. The impact on school, work and the whole family is significant, and more ready access in the community should be considered.

On my CAMHS visit, I, too, was concerned about the rejected referrals. I welcome the fact that information will be published before the end of the month, but it is imperative that we have an opportunity to scrutinise the issue before Parliament, and I would welcome confirmation of that in the minister’s closing speech.

My initial understanding of rejected referrals from the health services point of view is that everything is being referred to CAHMS in the absence of an earlier intervention or support in the community. That is only part of the picture, but I wonder whether the minister has up-to-date figures on the number of educational psychologists working in our schools. I have raised that issue many times before in the chamber. The declining number of educational psychologists makes a referral on to a higher-level intervention inevitable, when that child’s problem could have been addressed in their own community, without a CAMHS referral and all that that means for the child, their family and public resources.

15:27  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12706, in the name of Alex Cole-Hamilton, on health. 14:42
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is a great privilege to lead the debate for my party and to move the motion. In her first speech in the chamber after the 2016 election, the First Ministe...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Last week, during carers week, I met a group of young carers, to speak about their lives. Ten out of 14 of them told me that they had had to be referred to C...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you a little time back, Mr Cole-Hamilton.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I agree with Neil Findlay absolutely, and I think that what he said underscores the group who are most vulnerable, who are alr...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will not; I am just coming to the end of my remarks. It is a human tragedy that is visited on the north shore of my constituency every single week. My par...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call the minister, Maureen Watt. You have six minutes, minister. 14:51
The Minister for Mental Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Six minutes is a rather short time to address these important issues, but I will do my best. As stigma around mental health ha...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Maureen Watt SNP
I am in my last minute. The next programme for government will deliver a further step change in both ambition for and investment in mental health. I move a...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this extremely important topic to the chamber today. Last week’s figures for mental health waiting times showed ...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this timely and important debate to the chamber. I say right at the outset that we will be supporting their motion...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Mr Sarwar referred to CAMHS waiting times and workforce. As he will be aware, staffing for CAMHS has increased by 69 per cent since 2007. Clearly he thinks t...
Anas Sarwar Lab
Consultant vacancy numbers are going up, not down. There has been a failure to plan adequately for the workforce, which is why we have had to launch our own ...
Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am pleased that one of the amendments that have been selected for debate today—the Labour amendment—acknowledges that the prevalence of mental health probl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. I am sorry, but you must conclude. You have made your point.
Alison Johnstone Green
Thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is now the open debate. I am afraid that speakers have a strict four minutes. 15:10
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Scottish Liberal Democrats have, over the years, consistently sought to keep the spotlight on mental health. We have repeatedly used the time that is availab...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We are very tight for time, so I will have to be strict. 15:15
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, which takes place at a time of significant change in attitudes to mental health. Here in Scotland, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must close, please.
Tom Arthur SNP
I will just say that there is common ground and that, if we work together constructively, we can achieve the vision that we all share. 15:19
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this important debate on mental health, and I thank the Liberal Democrats for using their debating time to have it. The motion rightly refers to t...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
There are thousands of stories behind the children’s mental health waiting times statistics. Each child has their own story of how their name came to be on t...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Alex Cole-Hamilton’s motion says that the “hard-working staff do not have the resources and support that they require to deliver the service that they woul...
Alison Johnstone Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member take an intervention?