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Meeting of the Parliament 13 June 2018

13 Jun 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mental Health
Arthur, Tom SNP Renfrewshire South Watch on SPTV

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, which takes place at a time of significant change in attitudes to mental health. Here in Scotland, all the parties that have been elected to Parliament were elected on manifesto commitments to improve provision and quality of mental health services. Although we may differ in our approaches, we are united in challenging all stigma that is associated with mental health, are proud to support our third sector partners and have, collectively, played a part in pushing mental health to the top of the political agenda. That is to be welcomed, and it demonstrates what can be achieved when we speak with a common voice. Despite much of what has been said so far, I believe that there is much common ground.

Just as we all recognise the priorities of increasing awareness, tackling stigma and achieving parity for mental health with physical health, we all recognise the challenges in making that vision a reality. I am sure that all members fully appreciate that. I am sure that we have all supported constituents and their families who have had difficulties in accessing timely treatment. I certainly know how frustrating and time consuming it can be to achieve a successful outcome for constituents in such cases. I therefore understand clearly why frustration and anger inform the language that some members use to discuss mental health services, and why that leads to demands for immediate action from the Government. However, we all know and appreciate that there is no short cut to achieving our shared vision for mental health services.

The welcome increase in awareness of mental ill health in Scotland has seen a commensurate increase in demand. As all members will realise, that situation is not unique to Scotland: our neighbours in other parts of the United Kingdom are experiencing the same challenges. Indeed, our Commonwealth cousins in Canada, Australia and New Zealand are also facing the same rising demand, which is resulting in political debates that are similar to the one that we are having.

The fact that other countries near and far are tackling the same problems as we are is, of course, no comfort to a young person who has had a rejected CAMHS referral or who has received a referral only to find themselves on a long waiting list, and nor is it any comfort to their family. However, I believe that it is vital that we understand that Scotland is not alone in having to adapt and develop its health services to meet new needs and demands. That is as true for mental health as it is for the demands arising from having an ageing population.

Just as we need that perspective internationally, we require it when look at Scotland internally. As members are well aware, with mental health services and all public services, there is performance variation within Scotland. That is a consequence of having 32 local authorities, 31 integration boards and 14 territorial health boards. Clearly, our aim must be to minimise variation and to work towards equity in service provision, but achieving that will take time. As the member for Renfrewshire South, I know that in CAMHS in NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde in the last quarter, 88.7 per cent of people were seen within 18 weeks and that, in bordering NHS Ayrshire and Arran, the figure was 98.3 per cent. However, I know that the same is not true in other parts of the country, so we must work to achieve parity.

As I said, that will take time. To take one example with CAMHS, we want a situation in which people do not get to tier 3 and 4 services; that is about having strong community provision. Scotland has taken a lead on that, and we all support integration, but we know that the benefits will take time to feed through, just as it will take time—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12706, in the name of Alex Cole-Hamilton, on health. 14:42
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is a great privilege to lead the debate for my party and to move the motion. In her first speech in the chamber after the 2016 election, the First Ministe...
Neil Findlay (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Last week, during carers week, I met a group of young carers, to speak about their lives. Ten out of 14 of them told me that they had had to be referred to C...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will give you a little time back, Mr Cole-Hamilton.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I agree with Neil Findlay absolutely, and I think that what he said underscores the group who are most vulnerable, who are alr...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I will not; I am just coming to the end of my remarks. It is a human tragedy that is visited on the north shore of my constituency every single week. My par...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I now call the minister, Maureen Watt. You have six minutes, minister. 14:51
The Minister for Mental Health (Maureen Watt) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. Six minutes is a rather short time to address these important issues, but I will do my best. As stigma around mental health ha...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Maureen Watt SNP
I am in my last minute. The next programme for government will deliver a further step change in both ambition for and investment in mental health. I move a...
Annie Wells (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this extremely important topic to the chamber today. Last week’s figures for mental health waiting times showed ...
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Liberal Democrats for bringing this timely and important debate to the chamber. I say right at the outset that we will be supporting their motion...
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Mr Sarwar referred to CAMHS waiting times and workforce. As he will be aware, staffing for CAMHS has increased by 69 per cent since 2007. Clearly he thinks t...
Anas Sarwar Lab
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Alison Johnstone (Lothian) (Green) Green
I am pleased that one of the amendments that have been selected for debate today—the Labour amendment—acknowledges that the prevalence of mental health probl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. I am sorry, but you must conclude. You have made your point.
Alison Johnstone Green
Thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It is now the open debate. I am afraid that speakers have a strict four minutes. 15:10
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
Scottish Liberal Democrats have, over the years, consistently sought to keep the spotlight on mental health. We have repeatedly used the time that is availab...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
We are very tight for time, so I will have to be strict. 15:15
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, which takes place at a time of significant change in attitudes to mental health. Here in Scotland, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must close, please.
Tom Arthur SNP
I will just say that there is common ground and that, if we work together constructively, we can achieve the vision that we all share. 15:19
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this important debate on mental health, and I thank the Liberal Democrats for using their debating time to have it. The motion rightly refers to t...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
There are thousands of stories behind the children’s mental health waiting times statistics. Each child has their own story of how their name came to be on t...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Alex Cole-Hamilton’s motion says that the “hard-working staff do not have the resources and support that they require to deliver the service that they woul...
Alison Johnstone Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
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Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the member take an intervention?