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Meeting of the Parliament 07 June 2018

07 Jun 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Hate Crime Legislation: Bracadale Review
Mackay, Rona SNP Strathkelvin and Bearsden Watch on SPTV

In an ideal world, there should be no need for hate crime legislation, but we all know that this is not an ideal world, and Lord Bracadale’s “Independent Review of Hate Crime Legislation in Scotland” is much needed and timely.

Why do we need legislation? We need it because hate crimes cause depression, anger, anxiety and trauma. They may well cause social isolation and fear of public spaces. They wreck lives. They undermine society’s moral values, democracy and the right to live in a civilised country. When I was growing up in the 1970s and 1980s, certain words and attitudes prevailed that would not be tolerated now, and rightly so. Hate crimes are born out of ignorance and prejudice and there is no place for them in a modern Scotland.

Lord Bracadale was tasked with quite a challenge in his remit, to consider whether the current law deals well with hate crime behaviour, whether new statutory aggravations should be created in relation to age and gender or religious statutory aggravation, and whether hate crime laws could be made simpler by amalgamating them, and to identify gaps in the framework to ensure that the law protects human rights and equality.

Gathering evidence from people who had experienced hate crime was crucial, so a huge listening and learning exercise was launched. The recommendations in the report span a variety of hugely important issues, but I will focus today on hate crimes towards women. Lord Bracadale found that there was widespread support for legislation to deal with online and physical hate crimes towards women and he recommended a statutory aggravator in that regard. His report quotes from a consultation response:

“Crimes motivated by hatred of women are well documented and including this as an offence would be a progressive step in tackling misogyny.”

Misogynistic hate towards women and girls in the workplace, at school, in the street and online has reached epidemic levels. The past year has blown the cover on that with the #MeToo and time’s up campaigns. As a member of the sexual harassment working group in the Parliament, I have been working on a zero tolerance approach as the first step in making our workplace abuse free and a place where women can work without being harassed or intimidated. It is incredible that we have to address that in 2018, and our generation must eradicate it for our daughters and granddaughters.

I ask members to listen to these statistics, which were helpfully supplied by Engender Scotland, a fantastic organisation that promotes equality for both men and women. In the UK, 52 per cent of women have experienced sexual harassment, with one quarter experiencing unwanted touching, and one fifth experiencing unwanted sexual advances. Twenty-nine per cent of girls aged 16 to 18 have experienced unwanted sexual touching at school. More than one in 10 girls have experienced street harassment before the age of 10. Those figures are shocking and unacceptable at every level.

Engender has called for standalone misogynistic hate crime legislation in Scotland as a way of halting that epidemic. It believes that to respond to the epidemic levels of misogynistic hate in Scotland the gender dimension must be captured. Given that Scotland has rightly been lauded for the boldness and ambition of its violence against women strategy, equally safe, and that it has received international commendation for the Domestic Abuse (Scotland) Act 2018, Engender argues that it wants the same innovation to be applied to tackling misogynistic hate crime.

I understand the benefit of consolidating hate crime and the well-made points that Liam McArthur has just articulated, but I believe that, unless we experience a sea change reversal of misogynistic attitudes towards women, and quickly, we should consider going down the road that is recommended by Engender.

There is much more in the review that I could focus on, but time does not allow me to. In conclusion, I welcome the report and the direction that it takes us in—towards a Scotland that is free from prejudice, bigotry, intolerance and hate.

15:39  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Time is tight, so I am moving straight on. The next item of business is a debate on Lord Bracadale’s independent review of hate crime legislation. This is a ...
The Minister for Community Safety and Legal Affairs (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
Tackling hate crime is central to building the Scotland that we all want to see—a Scotland free from hatred, prejudice, discrimination and bigotry, and a cou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Liam Kerr to open the debate for the Conservatives. You have up to eight minutes, please, Mr Kerr. 15:11
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am very pleased to open for the Scottish Conservatives in this debate without a motion on Lord Bracadale’s independent review of hate crime legislation. L...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, Mr Kerr. Somebody’s phone is ringing, but they should not have it on—either in the gallery or in the chamber. On you go, Mr Kerr.
Liam Kerr Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. On that, a related matter that merits further discussion is how to approach the report’s recommendation 2, on updating languag...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
I point Liam Kerr to page 63 of Lord Bracadale’s report, where he says in paragraph 5.30 that “The repeal of section 6” of the 2012 act “has left a gap in...
Liam Kerr Con
We acknowledged that point about section 6 at the time, and we talked clearly about it in committee. The minister said clearly in the stage 3 debate on the O...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Liam Kerr Con
No, I will not, I am afraid. That would be the third intervention from the Scottish National Party, including the phone that went off earlier. The reality i...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I let you make up your time. Technically, a telephone ringing might be an interruption, but it is not an intervention, Mr Kerr. I know that you are a man who...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I pay tribute to Lord Bracadale—not just for his excellent report but for how he conducted his inquiries in compiling it. When I became Labour’s spokesperson...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Finnie to open for the Greens. As you have split your time, you have three minutes, Mr Finnie. 15:27
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I, too, welcome the report. I also welcome the briefings, one of which, from the Law Society of Scotland, says that hate crime can and does affect us all. I ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Well done, Mr Finnie, you kept to three minutes. 15:30
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As other members have done, I pay tribute to Lord Bracadale for the valuable work that he and his small team have carried out. None of us underestimates the ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
In an ideal world, there should be no need for hate crime legislation, but we all know that this is not an ideal world, and Lord Bracadale’s “Independent Rev...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I join colleagues in thanking Lord Bracadale for putting together his review of hate crime legislation. In a civilised society, hate crime of any kind—whethe...
Annabelle Ewing SNP
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Maurice Corry Con
I am sorry, but I am in my last minute. The minister even went as far as to dismiss the statement of the Law Society of Scotland by saying: “I do not thin...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I remind the chamber that I am the parliamentary liaison officer to the Cabinet Secretary for Justice. I welcome the report and thank Lord Bracadale for car...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I am going to come to Liam Kerr’s comments. When the Justice Committee scrutinised the bill that repealed the 2012 act, a majority of witnesses agreed with ...
Liam Kerr Con
Fulton MacGregor and his colleagues have made some pretty robust—and now incorrect—comments about the Conservatives behaving irresponsibly during the repeal ...
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I do not think that Liam Kerr heard what I just said. I made it quite clear in my speeches during stage 1 and stage 3 that there were issues with section 1—I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must come to a close, Mr MacGregor.
Fulton MacGregor SNP
I will just finish this point. Although the context is different, that reminded me of the evidence-gathering sessions on the bill that repealed the 2012 act...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must come to a close, please.
Fulton MacGregor SNP
One camp agreed with the verdict and one did not. That case highlights the need for clearly defined hate crime legislation. 15:49
Anas Sarwar (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Lord Bracadale for his report. It is a balanced report and one that should be welcomed by all members across the chamber. I am particularly pleased t...