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Meeting of the Parliament 23 May 2018

23 May 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing
Mason, John SNP Glasgow Shettleston Watch on SPTV

As others have said, there is a lot in the Conservative motion that I can agree with—not least the basic statement of the fact that we have a problem with common repairs to tenement properties. If I am going to declare an interest today, it is that I am an owner-occupier in an estate of about 270 privately owned ex-council tenements. I paid about £25,000 for my flat in 1990, and it is probably now worth between two and three times that. However, during those 28 years, there has been no substantial maintenance work done and, as far as I am aware, not even a thorough inspection.

We have factors in place and I have no complaint about that. They arrange common buildings insurance and grounds maintenance, as well as charging what I think is a fairly modest administration fee. However, even then, some owners have substantial arrears, and the factors have said that they have more problems with owner-occupiers than they do with landlords who let out their property. There can also be a lack of understanding that the admin fee does not go into maintenance work or some sinking fund.

The problem in our estate is an unwillingness or an inability on the part of owners to pay for regular checks and maintenance, so the estate—which won an award for refurbishment by Bellway Homes—has basically been deteriorating for the past 29 years, and it looks as if it will keep deteriorating for the next 29 years.

Just on Monday, another resident in the estate—obviously, a constituent—phoned me to see whether we could arrange a public meeting, maybe change the factors, or take some other action to move things forward. I explained to him that we had a large public meeting, but could not find six residents to form a residents committee. However, I will meet him next week to go over things again.

Given that there is a problem, what are we going to do about it? We could say that it is private matter and that Parliament should stay clear of it. Some good things are going on at the moment, but they are often on a very small scale. Some of the housing associations in my constituency are working with Glasgow City Council to purchase few of the worst flats in the hope of improving a whole close, but inevitably that is happening on a small scale. From speaking to property managers, housing associations, RICS and others, it seems to me that there is a widespread feeling that things need to change. That is why Ben Macpherson has led on setting up a working group and why a number of back benchers are keen to look at the options.

I have two main questions. First, what is the model that we are aiming to get to? Could there be a voluntary scheme of regular inspections, which would make owners and potential purchasers aware of problems with their properties and, we would hope, encourage them to take action? Alternatively, does there need to be an element of compulsion, possibly including a requirement for factors, or at least more formal self-factoring, which I think is what the Labour amendment proposes in talking about “co-operative arrangements”?

Secondly, how, and how quickly, can we move to such a desired model? Especially if we agree that we need some level of compulsion, how do we cope with the many owner-occupiers who just do not have savings to pay a hefty maintenance bill and who do not have sufficient income to borrow commercially? We would need to look at innovative methods, such as interest-free loans that are repayable only when a flat is sold or transferred, which I think the SFHA mentions in its briefing.

With any of those options, there are likely to be costs to home owners, and that has the potential to be politically challenging. If one party went into an election with such a proposal, I fear that it could cause it problems. Therefore, this is an issue that would benefit hugely from cross-party agreement, and I hope that the working group, together with the Government, can look through the various alternatives and come up with something on which there is broad consensus, in relation to the model that we are aiming for and the timescale for implementing it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12342, in the name of Graham Simpson, on housing. 15:52
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It would have been easy to lodge a motion on housing attacking sluggish house building under the Scottish National Party. A sector that is flatlining and an ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Graham Simpson’s point that factors need to behave properly, but does he agree that it is useful to have a factor or an organisation looking aft...
Graham Simpson Con
Yes. I do not disagree with that at all, but we need to ensure that they operate properly. I do not want to give the impression that we are talking about an...
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to welcome and speak in this debate that Graham Simpson has brought forward on the important issue of tenement property ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Should the proposals coming forth from that cross-party working group include one on the need for primary legislation, will the Government commit to bringing...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Yes. We are committed to keeping our policy frameworks and legislation under review to ensure that everyone lives in a good-quality home. In terms of existi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister clarify which local authorities have used and which have not used the legislation that he mentioned?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I do not have that answer for Mr Johnson off the top of my head, but I am more than willing to provide him with that information. Glasgow City Council is us...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the debate on Graham Simpson’s motion. Tenement property is a complex subject, on which the Parliament has made significant progress, but the law ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Andy Wightman, who has up to four minutes. 16:12
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank Graham Simpson for using Conservative Party business time to propose a motion on a topic that is designed to achieve broad agreement across the chamb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Four minutes.
Andy Wightman Green
Thank you. Much of the flatted property in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Dundee was built more than a century ago. With proper refurbishment and mainte...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is always hard to follow Andy Wightman in a debate such as this. I am very much one of those members of the Scottish Parliament who learns at the knee of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I ask everyone to be quiet. I think that Mr Wightman would like to hear this. Laughter.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Despite their outburst, I am grateful to Conservative members for bringing today’s motion before us. Housing is important. I am also gratified to hear that t...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank members for their speeches so far and remind everyone that I was a councillor at the City of Edinburgh Council for 12 years. For all of that period, ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
I, too, very much welcome the use of this time for this important debate, which builds on the momentum of the Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004, the Housing (Sco...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
I call Daniel Johnson, to be followed by Gordon Lindhurst. 16:29
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
It is with huge pleasure that I stand to speak in this debate after Graham Simpson, Ben Macpherson and Andy Wightman. I am sure that others from the working ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Richard Lyle, to be followed by Gordon Lindhurst.
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Oh!
The Presiding Officer NPA
Did I get that the wrong way round? Okay—I call Gordon Lindhurst, to be followed by Richard Lyle.
Richard Lyle SNP
I am ready, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Richard Lyle is ready, so we will let him speak. Laughter. 16:34
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to contribute to a debate on an issue with which I am very familiar, having served as a councillor on...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I thank Mr Lyle for being ready to speak. Gordon Lindhurst is next. 16:38
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
It is, indeed, a delight to be allowed an opportunity to speak in the debate. I am not sure whether I can match Richard Lyle’s speech; I certainly cannot mat...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
As others have said, there is a lot in the Conservative motion that I can agree with—not least the basic statement of the fact that we have a problem with co...