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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 23 May 2018

23 May 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing

It is, indeed, a delight to be allowed an opportunity to speak in the debate. I am not sure whether I can match Richard Lyle’s speech; I certainly cannot match the nicknames that he says have been given to him.

This is an important and welcome debate—there are few issues more important than our housing stock. Indeed, the Scottish Conservatives consistently ask the Scottish Government to be more ambitious about house-building, but that will be in vain if our current stock is left to crumble around us.

Homes are places where we spend huge amounts of our time—private time with family and friends in warmth and comfort, if the conditions are right. If they are not, it can have far-reaching negative consequences, including on health.

The tenement buildings of the old and new towns play an important part in Edinburgh being a world heritage site. Of the 48 per cent of housing in Edinburgh that was built pre-1945, 56 per cent of it is flats. Across Scotland as a whole, it is said that 68 per cent of all dwellings are in some degree of disrepair.

I have been fortunate to have experienced living in a tenement in Edinburgh, but I have also been unfortunate, as have others, in trying to have necessary common repairs carried out. Unlike Andy Wightman, whom Alex Cole-Hamilton described as a “maestro”, I have more generally been met with complete and utter lack of interest, rather than threats of violence or harassment. Given that sort of background, it is easy to see how easily tenements can start to decay when only some people are prepared to stump up their fair share.

As has been recognised by many organisations, including the RICS, cosmetic changes can seem to be much more attractive to a homeowner who can experience the almost immediate—depending on the workman—and tangible benefits of showering in a new bathroom or making dinner in a newly fitted kitchen. However, if their block is not maintained, the risk is greater of its being condemned, further down the line, as unfit to live in. That was described by Dr James Simpson—who initiated the tenement action group—as the “plateau of good repair”, which describes how failure to maintain a building regularly can be hugely inefficient.

Helping people to see that is all well and good, but today the Scottish Conservatives are encouraging the Scottish Government to think about what can actually be done to deal with Scotland’s tenement housing stock. Even mandatory building health checks will only be as effective as they are accurate and easily enforceable, as Ben Macpherson pointed out. Public buy-in and acceptance of the checks are also essential, and the checks must be affordable. A box-ticking exercise simply will not do. I think, for example, of the problems with energy performance certificates.

A culture of factoring, including a mandatory system for new-build flats, could mean that owners would be able to maintain buildings from the very beginning, and to keep buildings on the sunny plateau that I mentioned. As we have heard today, some factors do a superb job, but others leave an awful lot to be desired, as Graham Simpson pointed out. The fact that 70 per cent of complaints against factors were upheld last year is deeply concerning. That tells us that the current system is not working in the interests of home owners, as it ought to be. Factoring needs to be transparent and accountable, with bad factors being identified and dealt with.

The future of our housing stock will not be determined simply by how many houses we build now; it will also be determined by how we maintain what we have. It is imperative that the Government review the current system and take effective steps to protect our housing stock now.

16:42  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12342, in the name of Graham Simpson, on housing. 15:52
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It would have been easy to lodge a motion on housing attacking sluggish house building under the Scottish National Party. A sector that is flatlining and an ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I agree with Graham Simpson’s point that factors need to behave properly, but does he agree that it is useful to have a factor or an organisation looking aft...
Graham Simpson Con
Yes. I do not disagree with that at all, but we need to ensure that they operate properly. I do not want to give the impression that we are talking about an...
The Minister for Local Government and Housing (Kevin Stewart) SNP
I am pleased to have the opportunity to welcome and speak in this debate that Graham Simpson has brought forward on the important issue of tenement property ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Should the proposals coming forth from that cross-party working group include one on the need for primary legislation, will the Government commit to bringing...
Kevin Stewart SNP
Yes. We are committed to keeping our policy frameworks and legislation under review to ensure that everyone lives in a good-quality home. In terms of existi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Can the minister clarify which local authorities have used and which have not used the legislation that he mentioned?
Kevin Stewart SNP
I do not have that answer for Mr Johnson off the top of my head, but I am more than willing to provide him with that information. Glasgow City Council is us...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the debate on Graham Simpson’s motion. Tenement property is a complex subject, on which the Parliament has made significant progress, but the law ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Andy Wightman, who has up to four minutes. 16:12
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
I thank Graham Simpson for using Conservative Party business time to propose a motion on a topic that is designed to achieve broad agreement across the chamb...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Four minutes.
Andy Wightman Green
Thank you. Much of the flatted property in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen and Dundee was built more than a century ago. With proper refurbishment and mainte...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
It is always hard to follow Andy Wightman in a debate such as this. I am very much one of those members of the Scottish Parliament who learns at the knee of ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I ask everyone to be quiet. I think that Mr Wightman would like to hear this. Laughter.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Despite their outburst, I am grateful to Conservative members for bringing today’s motion before us. Housing is important. I am also gratified to hear that t...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank members for their speeches so far and remind everyone that I was a councillor at the City of Edinburgh Council for 12 years. For all of that period, ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
I, too, very much welcome the use of this time for this important debate, which builds on the momentum of the Tenements (Scotland) Act 2004, the Housing (Sco...
The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
I call Daniel Johnson, to be followed by Gordon Lindhurst. 16:29
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
It is with huge pleasure that I stand to speak in this debate after Graham Simpson, Ben Macpherson and Andy Wightman. I am sure that others from the working ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Richard Lyle, to be followed by Gordon Lindhurst.
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Oh!
The Presiding Officer NPA
Did I get that the wrong way round? Okay—I call Gordon Lindhurst, to be followed by Richard Lyle.
Richard Lyle SNP
I am ready, Presiding Officer.
The Presiding Officer NPA
Richard Lyle is ready, so we will let him speak. Laughter. 16:34
Richard Lyle (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I welcome the opportunity to contribute to a debate on an issue with which I am very familiar, having served as a councillor on...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I thank Mr Lyle for being ready to speak. Gordon Lindhurst is next. 16:38
Gordon Lindhurst (Lothian) (Con) Con
It is, indeed, a delight to be allowed an opportunity to speak in the debate. I am not sure whether I can match Richard Lyle’s speech; I certainly cannot mat...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
As others have said, there is a lot in the Conservative motion that I can agree with—not least the basic statement of the fact that we have a problem with co...