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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 23 May 2018

23 May 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Subject Choices)

First, I welcome Liz Smith’s remarks. She outlined in great detail why this debate is an important one.

On these benches, we have sought answers from the Scottish Government over the past week on a significant change in our schools: the narrowing of subject choice. We were told that curriculum for excellence would

“provide more choices and more chances”

for young people. We were assured that it would not mean a restriction in subject choice, but that choice has been restricted.

The points that appear in our motion today were put to the First Minister last Thursday, when she said:

“What matters is the qualifications that pupils leave school with, not just the subjects that they study in S4.”—[Official Report, 17 May 2018; c 11.]

We cannot be alone in having concerns about the complacency in that answer. Ruth Davidson asked about apples but was told that the important thing was oranges. Subject choice, it seems, does not matter much. However, when we have leading educationists telling us that social inequalities in entry to higher education in Scotland are

“mostly explained by subject choice”,

and when we have a range of experts in the field of education telling us of the many problems that that is building up, it is time to take notice.

A traditional positive of the examinations structure was the supposed breadth of learning that it provides. Specialisation into subjects was gradual, giving school leavers a broader education and a greater choice as they moved into higher-level qualifications. The Deputy First Minister’s response has been to assert that the senior phase in secondary schools is a three-year progression, but that seems to take no notice of the impact on young people who take a different course.

Again, Liz Smith mentioned the squeeze on certain subjects, highlighting the concerns surrounding modern languages and STEM subjects. The SQA has reported that, between 2014 and 2017, the number of entrants fell by 6 per cent for higher French and by 12 per cent for higher German. Given the Government’s focus on language tuition, those numbers should be extremely concerning for ministers. The Government also focuses on STEM education, and we can see similar falls in the three main sciences and a significant decline in higher maths.

The qualifications gained at secondary level are important and valuable in themselves, but we should not turn a blind eye to the restrictiveness that the narrowing of subject choice places on young people who are looking towards their futures. For those contemplating a vocational route to enter a modern apprenticeship or otherwise move into work, restricted subject choice has an impact.

Since curriculum for excellence came into play, the SQA has revealed that the number of exam passes by pupils in S4 has fallen by 150,000.

On the new foundation apprenticeships that are on offer through schools, I have spoken previously in the chamber about the variability of framework choice across different parts of Scotland. In my region, there have been as few as two frameworks offered to young people. The Minister for Employability and Training, Jamie Hepburn, was helpfully clear in his intention to broaden out availability across local authorities.

Universities have noted that restricted subject choice has an impact on entry, and the University of Edinburgh has acknowledged that that is causing a damaging exclusion for young people from less advantaged backgrounds. There is a debate to be had on how specific the choices that are given to people relatively early in their secondary education should be. When young people are restricted to a smaller number of subjects, it continues to impact their choices later in their education.

The shortcomings in our education system always seem to have a disproportionate impact on the least advantaged young people. Curriculum for excellence was introduced with great fanfare by the Scottish Government and gained wide support on the basis of assurances and positions presented by ministers. Unfortunately, in the case of subject choice, it seems that those assurances have not been kept.

15:15  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-12358, in the name of Liz Smith, on education: subject choices.
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Few decisions are more important to any young person at school than those that they make about subject choices. What they decide defines their future career....
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Swinney to speak to and move amendment S5M-12358.4. 14:48
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (John Swinney) SNP
I welcome this debate and I want to be as helpful as I can in discussing the substantive issues that Liz Smith raises. The reason for that is that this whole...
Liz Smith Con
If that is correct, there ought to be a good progression into S4. However, at the moment, pupils are doing a considerable number of subjects in breadth in S1...
John Swinney SNP
That brings me on to the other substantive point that I want to make. The focus on the breadth of learning throughout primary school and the first years of s...
Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
John Swinney SNP
If Mr Mundell will forgive me, I will not take an intervention. I have quite a lot of ground to cover. That may well mean that learners take fewer subjects ...
Liz Smith Con
Is the cabinet secretary satisfied that those students in S4 are getting a fair deal when it comes to subject choice?
John Swinney SNP
That will be a judgment that is arrived at in individual schools on the basis of the curriculum model that they want to take forward, and that is the policy ...
Oliver Mundell Con
At a basic level, does the cabinet secretary accept that, if a pupil drops a subject because they are unable to take it in S4, they will be less likely to ta...
John Swinney SNP
Not necessarily, because young people will have established stronger foundations in a higher and more demanding broad general education than would have been ...
Jenny Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
John Swinney SNP
I will have to make some more progress.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can give you the time back, cabinet secretary.
John Swinney SNP
I give way to Jenny Marra.
Jenny Marra Lab
The cabinet secretary suggested that decisions about course choice are available on a school-by-school basis, but Dundee City Council’s curriculum guidelines...
John Swinney SNP
That gets us to the nub of the reform agenda that I am interested in taking forward. I am glad that Ms Marra is a supporter of that agenda. I believe that th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you very much. I have to say that I am running out of spare time, but I thought that it was important to allow interventions that were direct questions...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you very much, Presiding Officer—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have not said what you are doing yet. I call Iain Gray to speak to and move amendment S5M-12358.1—just in case you had forgotten, Mr Gray. 14:57
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I had not forgotten, and I rise to move the amendment in my name. This is an important issue, but it is not a new one. The nar...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must conclude with this sentence.
Iain Gray Lab
Parents feel that pupils from more affluent communities are being offered more choice and more chances, which can only exacerbate the attainment gap. It is n...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry: in these short debates, time is very tight. There will now be a tight four minutes for all speeches. 15:02
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The need to ensure that Scotland’s schools provide an inclusive learning environment that enables all young people to excel is an obvious point of consensus,...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I will rescue you there. It is time to sit down. 15:06
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
The debate that Liz Smith has brought is about subject choice. In some ways, I speak more as a father than I do as an MSP on the issue, because my oldest chi...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
First, I welcome Liz Smith’s remarks. She outlined in great detail why this debate is an important one. On these benches, we have sought answers from the Sc...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I rise to speak somewhat dismayed at some of the arguments that are being used in the chamber this afternoon. I served on the Education and Culture Committee...