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Meeting of the Parliament 01 May 2018

01 May 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Rape Crisis Centres and Prosecutions
Maguire, Ruth SNP Cunninghame South Watch on SPTV

I thank Kezia Dugdale for bringing this important topic to the chamber. When I first read in the press about this change of policy, I was shocked. Frankly, I thought that it sounded awful.

Sexual violence is a challenging and difficult issue. It is challenging even to talk about, never mind to report and to obtain justice when a person has survived it. I acknowledge that there is a careful balancing act between the needs and views of survivors and the issue of wider public safety—an issue that the state has a duty to uphold.

I and other members who are in the chamber attended the briefing that was given by the Lord Advocate and the Solicitor General, which provided some reassurance. I was left in no doubt that the Solicitor General comes at this matter from a position of extensive experience and that the safety and wellbeing of women are at the forefront of her decision making. I fully appreciate the Crown Office’s desire—and, indeed, duty—to see more rape cases prosecuted and more rapists brought to justice, in the interests of justice, public safety and women’s safety. The Solicitor General made it clear when she spoke in the chamber last week that the focus of the revised policy is not to compel rape complainers to testify but to ensure that the decision and, crucially, the responsibility about whether or not to prosecute lies with the Crown. The public safety case for the Crown on prosecuting a dangerous, violent, repeat offender is obvious. However, it must only ever be in exceptional circumstances that a witness warrant is sought. It is crucial that the survivor’s views, welfare and interest remain at the heart of the Crown’s prosecution policy and, to quote the Crown Office,

“will always be a ... significant factor in the decision”.

Failure to live up to that and demonstrate those words in practice would, quite simply, be unacceptable.

Although I might not agree with the motion that the policy needs to be reconsidered, I do agree that we must all redouble our efforts to address the reasons why survivors so often feel unable to continue with the criminal justice process. Confidence in our justice system must be improved.

In November 2017, the Inspectorate of Prosecution in Scotland published its “Thematic Review of the Investigation and Prosecution of Sexual Crimes.” It noted that, although there has been an increase in the reporting of sexual crimes, a high rate of attrition along with a low conviction rate, particularly for offences of rape and attempted rape, remains concerning. It also noted that secondary victimisation, experienced as a result of the trauma of the criminal justice process, is a feature associated with crimes of sexual violence.

I am glad to hear in particular that there will be on-going work with Rape Crisis Scotland on how the change in policy will work in practice and how victims will be supported. We in Parliament can play a part in that by highlighting the issues, challenging the system, and in making sure that our words and actions do not cause more harm. Victims or survivors of sexual crime must be treated sensitively and appropriately by the justice agencies at all levels, at all times.

The policy might be the right thing to do, but if it does not go hand in hand with ensuring greater support for survivors of sexual violence throughout the criminal justice process, it will not succeed in achieving what we all want: justice.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S5M-11217, in the name of Kezia Dugdale, on support for rape crisis centres and prosecution...
Kezia Dugdale (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I thank colleagues for staying for this debate on what I think is a critical issue. The motion before us has four key themes. The first recognises that ther...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
It is difficult for me to believe that we are having this debate. We know it is difficult enough for someone to report a rape. We also know that the earlier...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I remind all members who wish to speak that they are required to press the request-to-speak button. I am looking at a member who has not pressed the button. ...
Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
I thank Kezia Dugdale for bringing this important topic to the chamber. When I first read in the press about this change of policy, I was shocked. Frankly, I...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I have 11 members still wishing to speak. I am therefore minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend the debate by up to 30 minute...
Margaret Mitchell (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in this debate on support for Rape Crisis centres and prosecutions. I thank Kezia Dugdale for lodging the motion, which be...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I rise to my feet with a considerable amount of trepidation. I am mindful, as I speak, that I do not have experience in two critical ways. I have not been a ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am sorry, but you must conclude.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I will conclude, then—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. You really must conclude, and I will tell you why if you sit down, please, Mr Johnson. We cannot extend the meeting further so, if everybody goes over t...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
You are quite right, Presiding Officer, that this is a very important debate, and it is on a very emotional subject. It is some time since my police days, bu...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I endorse and agree with Kezia Dugdale’s opening speech and the five points that she powerfully made. There are not many times that a sensitive, tricky, diff...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Kezia Dugdale on securing time for this debate and on her powerful contribution this evening. It is good to see cross-party unity in this cham...
Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
I commend Kezia Dugdale on bringing forward this motion, which I know reflects her personal conviction and political commitment. I would like to focus my con...
Maurice Corry (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Kezia Dugdale for bringing forward today’s debate on a very important subject. I want to take this opportunity to note the work of the rape crisis ce...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I add my thanks and congratulations to my friend and colleague Kez Dugdale for bringing this hugely important motion before us this evening. Until very rece...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Kezia Dugdale for bringing this important debate to the Parliament. I think that there is a strong recognition in the chamber this evening that...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Kezia Dugdale on securing time to bring this vital issue to the chamber. The issue is complex and emotive. The Crown Office and Procura...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Kezia Dugdale for taking urgent action to secure cross-party support to allow this important debate to go ahead. I pay tribute to her tireless ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call the Solicitor General to close the debate. You have up to seven minutes, or thereabouts. 18:08
The Solicitor General for Scotland (Alison Di Rollo)
I, too, thank Kezia Dugdale for bringing the matter to the chamber and for giving me an opportunity, which I consider to be very important, to clarify what t...
Kezia Dugdale Lab
I am listening very carefully to what the Solicitor General has to say. I invite her to respond to the reality of the testimony that I have put forward, whic...
The Solicitor General
We have discussed that with Rape Crisis and will work with it and Police Scotland, because in dealing with victims and encouraging them to come forward and s...
The Solicitor General
The work that we are doing with Rape Crisis is about saying to victims, “Although it is our decision to prosecute, nevertheless we will engage with you. We w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
He does. He has been on his feet for a wee while. Will you take the intervention, Solicitor General?
The Solicitor General
Yes.
Daniel Johnson Lab
Although the Solicitor General says that the policy is not about compelling witnesses, she also says that the court reserves the right to do so. Those are ex...
The Solicitor General
No, I cannot agree with that. The difficulty with it is legal and ethical, and comes down to positive obligations and convention rights to which we are subje...
John Finnie Green
Will the Solicitor General take an intervention on that point?