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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2018

06 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I thank my fellow committee members for the constructive conversations that we have had on the bill, and I look forward to continuing our work as we scrutinise this piece of legislation. In addition, I echo the thanks of our convener to our clerks and to those who have submitted evidence to the Finance and Constitution Committee.

I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests, particularly with regard to my businesses that deal with the purchasing and leasing of residential properties and businesses, which are impacted by LBTT.

The Scottish Conservatives agree with the bill and welcome its introduction at stage 1. As many members have pointed out, the need for the bill is the consequence—and another example—of an SNP Government pushing through bad legislation that requires further legislation to correct it. The irony, as we argue over the timings that have been proposed by the SNP for the UK Withdrawal from the European Union (Legal Continuity) (Scotland) Bill, makes it particularly topical.

From the evidence that has been taken, it appears that the bill will not be the final piece of correcting legislation that is required. As my colleague Murdo Fraser noted, the proposed legislation is required to correct the injustice that has been done to many constituents who were simply starting a home together. As has been pointed out, many experts noted, during discussions on the original legislation, that they had grave concerns over its impact on the housing market as well as its other potential consequences.

Those concerns have been borne out by the facts. The estate agent Aberdein Considine’s analysis last December showed that selling prices in Glasgow’s east end had risen by 20 per cent in the previous quarter. The Times reported last Friday that

“first-time buyers without extra capital are being consistently outbid by”

buy-to-let

“investors from China”

and the middle east. I do not want to deter international investment, but legislation that the Scottish Government introduces should not be to the detriment of our own residents who look to make a life and home of their own.

The bill also affords the opportunity to consider the wider issues that we face with LBTT. The Law Society noted that

“there will continue to be regular issues that arise in relation to the implementation of devolved taxes”.

Therefore, it encourages Revenue Scotland and the Scottish Government to work together in a policy partnership to ensure that the Scottish tax system is responsive and fit for purpose as it develops.

As the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland states, there is a good case to be made for care and maintenance measures in the existing tax law so that, if stakeholders find that parts of the legislation do not work as intended, there is an opportunity to revisit the law without the need for primary legislation.

I note and welcome the letter that the cabinet secretary sent to the committee shortly before the debate, introducing a consultation on group reliefs. I hope that he will continue to be as receptive on other issues.

We have a duty to pass bills that work effectively and that benefit our constituents to the maximum effect the first time round. Therefore, although we support the consensus in passing the bill to the next stage, I ask the cabinet secretary to cover in his closing speech his response to the further amendments to the land and buildings transaction tax legislation that the Law Society and others have proposed.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-10795, in the name of Derek Mackay, on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
This is part 2 in this afternoon’s act. It will probably be a far more consensual debate than the previous one. It is a shame that Mr Simpson has departed fr...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome what the cabinet secretary has just said about group reliefs. I do not know whether he is familiar with the Law Society of Scotland briefing that w...
Derek Mackay SNP
I appreciate the intervention, but I do not want to give any views today that are wider than the purpose of the bill and further to what I have said already....
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bruce Crawford to speak on behalf of the Finance and Constitution Committee. 16:17
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
How long do I get, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Five minutes, Mr Crawford.
Bruce Crawford SNP
Okay. Thank you. It is my pleasure to speak as the convener of the Finance and Constitution Committee. I put on record my thanks to my fellow committee memb...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I start by reminding members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland. Following on ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There have been a number of heated debates and exchanges over the past of couple months, mainly over the budget and certainly between me and Mr Mackay. I wan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:32
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The title of the bill may prove to be almost as long as the time that is taken to consider and approve it. As the cabinet secretary, the convener and members...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to my membership of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. I also...
Derek Mackay SNP
Is it not fair to reflect on the fact that the Parliament as a whole passed the legislation, and to acknowledge that the right thing for the Government to do...
Bill Bowman Con
The Parliament is doing the right thing, but there are issues around the method used in doing the right thing—that is what I am going to talk about. Revenu...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I support the bill. Like Bill Bowman, I am likely to repeat what other members have said. The cabinet secretary and others have set out the details of what ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to rental of a property. I will keep my speech short and give you s...
Bruce Crawford SNP
Does Mr McKee agree that, with regard to an annual finance or tax bill, perhaps Bill Bowman should go off and read the report of the budget process review gr...
Ivan McKee SNP
That is exactly the point that I was going to raise next. We should welcome consideration of a finance bill and see whether that is possible. It is a shame t...
James Kelly Lab
Bill Bowman, Neil Bibby and Ivan McKee all expressed concern that they might be repeating some of the points that others had made, and they must feel sympath...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank my fellow committee members for the constructive conversations that we have had on the bill, and I look forward to continuing our work as we scrutini...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution to conclude the debate. 16:56
Derek Mackay SNP
Do I have until about 5 o’clock, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Derek Mackay SNP
Thank you very much. I will conclude the debate briefly by answering a number of points that have been raised. I imagine that, of all the devolved taxes, th...