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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2018

06 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Bill Bowman, Neil Bibby and Ivan McKee all expressed concern that they might be repeating some of the points that others had made, and they must feel sympathy for those of us who have to speak twice in the debate, as there is a real danger that we could be appearing on UK Gold soon.

There has been a strong element of consensus in the debate, which is right because the anomaly in the original legislation will be corrected by the proposed legislation that the cabinet secretary has introduced. If the bill is passed, those who have been unfairly affected will be able to claim appropriate retrospective relief.

Members have raised issues that have been brought up in responses from the Law Society and other organisations about extending the areas that are covered by the legislation in terms of group relief. Bill Bowman gave the example of couples who have separated, and that situation should be seriously looked at.

However, there should be an element of caution. Ultimately, it is a tax-raising measure, and tax has to be raised fairly. If there is unfairness in the system, I expect that to be ironed out. Nevertheless, we do not want to get into a situation in which we build in so many exemptions that we lose the effectiveness of the tax-raising measure. It must contribute to the budget—everyone feels strongly about that, no matter what their point of view on it.

In committee, Murdo Fraser raised the issue of the awareness campaign. I appreciate that it is difficult because, according to the analysis, the measure will potentially affect between 76 and 189 people, which is a small number. I understand the cabinet secretary’s caution about Revenue Scotland or any other organisation launching a major advertising campaign. What is needed is some innovation. A lot of the bodies will know particular individuals who might be affected and they can communicate with them.

Social media could also be skilfully used. Those of us who use social media as part of our political campaigning are well aware that, by putting a small bit of money into, for example, advertising on Facebook, we can reach a wide audience. That might be something for Revenue Scotland to look at.

The other main point from the debate, which I raised in my earlier speech and which Neil Bibby underlined, is the need for an annual finance bill to deal with technical tax changes. That makes good sense.

Overall, the debate has provided a consensual end to the afternoon, even if the start was not consensual. Members on the Labour benches support the Government’s approach on this.

16:52  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-10795, in the name of Derek Mackay, on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
This is part 2 in this afternoon’s act. It will probably be a far more consensual debate than the previous one. It is a shame that Mr Simpson has departed fr...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome what the cabinet secretary has just said about group reliefs. I do not know whether he is familiar with the Law Society of Scotland briefing that w...
Derek Mackay SNP
I appreciate the intervention, but I do not want to give any views today that are wider than the purpose of the bill and further to what I have said already....
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bruce Crawford to speak on behalf of the Finance and Constitution Committee. 16:17
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
How long do I get, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Five minutes, Mr Crawford.
Bruce Crawford SNP
Okay. Thank you. It is my pleasure to speak as the convener of the Finance and Constitution Committee. I put on record my thanks to my fellow committee memb...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I start by reminding members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland. Following on ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There have been a number of heated debates and exchanges over the past of couple months, mainly over the budget and certainly between me and Mr Mackay. I wan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:32
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The title of the bill may prove to be almost as long as the time that is taken to consider and approve it. As the cabinet secretary, the convener and members...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to my membership of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. I also...
Derek Mackay SNP
Is it not fair to reflect on the fact that the Parliament as a whole passed the legislation, and to acknowledge that the right thing for the Government to do...
Bill Bowman Con
The Parliament is doing the right thing, but there are issues around the method used in doing the right thing—that is what I am going to talk about. Revenu...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I support the bill. Like Bill Bowman, I am likely to repeat what other members have said. The cabinet secretary and others have set out the details of what ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to rental of a property. I will keep my speech short and give you s...
Bruce Crawford SNP
Does Mr McKee agree that, with regard to an annual finance or tax bill, perhaps Bill Bowman should go off and read the report of the budget process review gr...
Ivan McKee SNP
That is exactly the point that I was going to raise next. We should welcome consideration of a finance bill and see whether that is possible. It is a shame t...
James Kelly Lab
Bill Bowman, Neil Bibby and Ivan McKee all expressed concern that they might be repeating some of the points that others had made, and they must feel sympath...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank my fellow committee members for the constructive conversations that we have had on the bill, and I look forward to continuing our work as we scrutini...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution to conclude the debate. 16:56
Derek Mackay SNP
Do I have until about 5 o’clock, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Derek Mackay SNP
Thank you very much. I will conclude the debate briefly by answering a number of points that have been raised. I imagine that, of all the devolved taxes, th...