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Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2018

28 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Taxation
Mackay, Derek SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV

I have very little time left.

I believe that the discussion paper on the role of income tax in Scotland, and the consultation throughout, was an exemplar in engagement on tax. Even if the Opposition disagreed with the final policy outcomes, the process was one of consultation and sound methodology, with clear tests established.

There is no clear alternative proposition to the council tax, which commands majority support in this Parliament, so an implementation forum seems somewhat presumptive. For our part, we have tasked the Scottish Land Commission with exploring the possibility of introducing a land value tax to ensure that we can take an informed decision on that. There is much interest in it, but limited examples of it in operation.

Local government’s role in the dialogue is fundamental. It would have to implement any changes that followed from decisions that we made, it would depend on the revenues that were then collected, and it would have to deal with any shortfall should the reforms be ill-considered. Changes to local tax must be progressed in partnership with local government and with a clear evidence base. In that regard, the commission on local tax reform did valuable work. Our governance review builds on that as we work with the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities to engage the public and look across all our public services in order to understand the changes that can improve lives and bring democracy closer to the people.

For all those reasons, I move amendment S5M-11290.2, to leave out from “believes” to end and insert:

“notes that the present Council Tax system was changed in 2016 to make it more progressive; acknowledges that these changes will result in an estimated additional £500 million over the course of the current parliamentary session; considers that any changes to local government taxation must be done in partnership with local authorities; recognises that the Land Commission is undertaking work on the introduction of a land value tax and that a joint review of local governance is underway, and notes that the Scottish Government is open to further dialogue on options for local tax reform and any plan that would command the clear support of Parliament.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-11290, in the name of Andy Wightman, on scrapping the council tax. I call on Andy Wightman to speak to an...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The last time that Parliament had a debate on the future of local taxation was in September 2016, when, rather typically of such debates, we ended up by not ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Many of us would keep the council tax in the absence of a better alternative. We cannot resolve to scrap it unless we know what we are proposing to replace i...
Andy Wightman Green
This debate has been bedevilled by claims that we must keep an out-of-date, archaic, regressive tax because we cannot agree on what should replace it. If we ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call on Derek Mackay to speak to and move amendment S5M-11290.2. 16:02
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
The package of reforms to the council tax that was set out in our 2016 Scottish Parliament manifesto has been delivered by the Scottish Government, with the ...
Andy Wightman Green
I recognise the reforms that were made in 2016, but I do not agree with the cabinet secretary that they address the fundamental iniquity and regressiveness o...
Derek Mackay SNP
Andy Wightman referred to “tinkering”. The reforms raise more than £500 million for public services, which is retained locally. I would describe that not as ...
Andy Wightman Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Derek Mackay SNP
I have to make progress as I have only five minutes, I have taken one intervention and I have a lot to say on the Government’s position. It is a fair judgme...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Derek Mackay SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I warn members that there is absolutely no time in hand, so speeches must be kept to time and absorb any interventions. That is bad timing for you, Mr Fraser...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Green Party for bringing this debate to the chamber. At least it is consistent in its messages on local taxation, but already in this short debat...
Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sorry, but I have only four minutes. Mr Wightman will have a chance to respond in winding up the debate. Those of us with long memories will recall tha...
Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sorry, but I just do not have time. We would support broadening the range of taxes that councils have at their disposal. We would want that to be under...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Andy Wightman and the Greens for bringing forward this important debate, because “It’s time to scrap the Council Tax.” Those are not my words; they...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You know how I feel about props.
James Kelly Lab
—to scrap—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Put it down.
James Kelly Lab
—to scrap—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, put it down.
James Kelly Lab
It is a very important piece of evidence, because it shows Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond pledging to “scrap the unfair council tax.”
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
Not just now. The reality is that 11 years down the road, we have Alex Salmond—
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
No, not just now. Eleven years down the road, Alex Salmond is a discredited television host, and the discredited council tax is still in place. How can we tr...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Does James Kelly agree that such a tax would have an impact on domestic travellers, who make up 84 per cent of travellers to Scotland?