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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2018

28 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Local Taxation
Mackay, Derek SNP Renfrewshire North and West Watch on SPTV

I have to make progress as I have only five minutes, I have taken one intervention and I have a lot to say on the Government’s position.

It is a fair judgment to say that political parties will attach different weights to the considerations that were set out in the commission on local tax reform. It highlighted the need for relief to be available for low-income households. The council tax reduction scheme provides exactly that, and our reforms enhanced it, especially for households with children. We have increased the child allowance by 25 per cent, and we continue to refuse to follow the United Kingdom Government’s damaging example of applying a two-child cap.

When local taxation was last debated, I was clear that we were on a journey of reform and that those were just the first steps. I was also clear that I was willing to engage. Members are well aware that we have made reforms through the Barclay review of the non-domestic rates system, and we are interested in engaging further on the council tax, but we have been determined to strike the right balance between protecting household incomes and ensuring that our public services have the resources that they need in order to deliver. I believe that our decisions on tax and the allocation of resources achieve that balance.

In our 2016 manifesto, we set out that the time was right, after nine years, to lift the council tax freeze, but that increases would be capped at 3 per cent and not at 5.99 per cent, as applies in England. That strikes the right balance. All councils have now set their council tax rates for the forthcoming financial year, and all have increased the council tax by 3 per cent, which will mean a further £77 million for local services. Without some sort of constraint, taxpayers would risk facing increases such as the 12.5 per cent increase that the Labour minority administration in North Ayrshire proposed for 2018-19. Where we have asked households to pay more tax, we have done so in a reasonable and balanced way. We continue to be committed to making local taxation fairer and ensuring that tax overall is progressive, and we continue to be open to discussing how that might be achieved.

The Opposition parties may be able to provide a critique of the Government’s position or the existing council tax regime, but there is no majority view on a replacement. In keeping with our collaborative approach on taxation and proposals for further reform, there needs to be serious engagement, and not cheap political points.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-11290, in the name of Andy Wightman, on scrapping the council tax. I call on Andy Wightman to speak to an...
Andy Wightman (Lothian) (Green) Green
The last time that Parliament had a debate on the future of local taxation was in September 2016, when, rather typically of such debates, we ended up by not ...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Many of us would keep the council tax in the absence of a better alternative. We cannot resolve to scrap it unless we know what we are proposing to replace i...
Andy Wightman Green
This debate has been bedevilled by claims that we must keep an out-of-date, archaic, regressive tax because we cannot agree on what should replace it. If we ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call on Derek Mackay to speak to and move amendment S5M-11290.2. 16:02
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
The package of reforms to the council tax that was set out in our 2016 Scottish Parliament manifesto has been delivered by the Scottish Government, with the ...
Andy Wightman Green
I recognise the reforms that were made in 2016, but I do not agree with the cabinet secretary that they address the fundamental iniquity and regressiveness o...
Derek Mackay SNP
Andy Wightman referred to “tinkering”. The reforms raise more than £500 million for public services, which is retained locally. I would describe that not as ...
Andy Wightman Green
Will the minister take an intervention?
Derek Mackay SNP
I have to make progress as I have only five minutes, I have taken one intervention and I have a lot to say on the Government’s position. It is a fair judgme...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Derek Mackay SNP
I have very little time left. I believe that the discussion paper on the role of income tax in Scotland, and the consultation throughout, was an exemplar in...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I warn members that there is absolutely no time in hand, so speeches must be kept to time and absorb any interventions. That is bad timing for you, Mr Fraser...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the Green Party for bringing this debate to the chamber. At least it is consistent in its messages on local taxation, but already in this short debat...
Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sorry, but I have only four minutes. Mr Wightman will have a chance to respond in winding up the debate. Those of us with long memories will recall tha...
Andy Wightman Green
Will Mr Fraser take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser Con
I am sorry, but I just do not have time. We would support broadening the range of taxes that councils have at their disposal. We would want that to be under...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Andy Wightman and the Greens for bringing forward this important debate, because “It’s time to scrap the Council Tax.” Those are not my words; they...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You know how I feel about props.
James Kelly Lab
—to scrap—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Put it down.
James Kelly Lab
—to scrap—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No, put it down.
James Kelly Lab
It is a very important piece of evidence, because it shows Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond pledging to “scrap the unfair council tax.”
Tom Arthur (Renfrewshire South) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
Not just now. The reality is that 11 years down the road, we have Alex Salmond—
The Minister for Parliamentary Business (Joe FitzPatrick) SNP
Will the member give way?
James Kelly Lab
No, not just now. Eleven years down the road, Alex Salmond is a discredited television host, and the discredited council tax is still in place. How can we tr...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Does James Kelly agree that such a tax would have an impact on domestic travellers, who make up 84 per cent of travellers to Scotland?