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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2018

28 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Services
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

Thank you, Presiding Officer.

We can all agree that bus services make a big contribution to the economic, environmental and social sustainability of our towns, cities and rural communities. Buses keep us moving. Compared with the private motor car, they make efficient use of road space, and they have the lowest carbon footprint of all transport modes except bike and foot. If they are run as affordable, quality public services, buses can help young people to access apprenticeships while helping their parents get to work and empowering their grandparents to be free from physical and social isolation.

When I think back to my days as a councillor, I remember that the strongest community campaigns were always those to save bus routes and services. The slow erosion of councils’ power to subsidise and keep routes open has led to much suffering, especially in rural areas.

However, we can fall into the trap of not questioning the environmental performance of bus services. Although carbon emissions per passenger mile are low, buses make a major negative contribution to air quality through exhaust emissions of particulates and nitrous oxide. Successive Euro engine standards have driven down emissions over time, but pollution levels are still above European Union danger levels, especially on nitrous oxide, in 32 areas of Scotland, from Crieff to Glasgow. That hidden killer is contributing to the deaths of 2,500 people every year in Scotland alone.

Dieselisation of cars has not helped. The growing congestion levels in towns mean that stationary private cars are holding up polluting buses in toxic traffic queues, and the minister mentioned the parking problems that we can have in urban areas. It is clear that we must transform our bus services from being a major part of the public health pollution crisis to being a central part of its solution. The Government’s clean air for Scotland strategy—or CAFS, as it is known—recognised that, but the Government has been desperately slow to take action and it still faces the threat of legal action under European air quality laws if it does not speed up.

Even in that context, Scotland’s first low-emission zone, in Glasgow, has got off to an extremely shaky start, being branded as a “no ambition zone” by Friends of the Earth and a “free pass” to cars by Transform Scotland. In addition, there were non-governmental organisation resignations from the Scottish Government’s air quality group just last Friday. Fifteen per cent of the bus fleet in Glasgow is already Euro 6 compliant. Simply nudging that up to 20 per cent next year represents glacial progress that will ensure that we remain in breach of European air quality laws just as we are leaving the EU, with all the ministerial pledges on regulatory alignment still ringing in our ears.

The major immediate problem that Glasgow City Council faces seems to be relatively easy to solve. The minister could really help today by giving councils and bus companies some clarity on funding. The Scottish budget, which we approved just last month, includes £10.8 million specifically for low-emission zones. It also includes provision for a future transport fund that is worth £60 million, some of which is for a green bus fund. Following suggestions by the Greens in budget negotiations, a brand-new £10 million of financial transactions has been earmarked to support bus companies to improve emissions through retrofits.

Despite the tens of millions of pounds that are about to be made available in the new financial year in just four days’ time, nobody seems to have the certainty that is needed to make ambitious plans. The Glasgow low-emission zone is the most developed, and it needs certainty on how much of the £10.8 million of funding will go there. Bus companies and even some officials in Transport Scotland do not seem to know about the £10 million-worth of loans that could be made available for bus retrofits. Can the minister commit to providing more certainty to companies and councils on the funding that will be available for them to be ambitious on air pollution?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-11289, in the name of John Finnie, on better buses. 14:41
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Here is a bit of background to the debate: in 1984, the United Kingdom Government published a white paper entitled “Buses”—good title. That resulted in the T...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Finnie is in his last half minute.
John Finnie Green
Making this work will require clear ambition. It is fair to say that the solution will be different in different parts of the country. All of that can be acc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Humza Yousaf to speak to and move amendment S5M-11289.2. 14:49
The Minister for Transport and the Islands (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome this important debate, which brings a focus to one of the key modes in our sustainable transport mix. Given that 75 to 80 per cent of all public tr...
John Finnie Green
Will the minister acknowledge that I said that, although there would be a target, it could be applied differently in different areas? In the central belt, th...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I recognise the latter point. On the member’s first point, I hope that my amendment improves on his motion, because it makes it more explicit and clear that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jamie Greene to speak to and move amendment S5M-11289.3. 14:55
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will attempt to use my tablet but, the last time I did that, the battery ran out halfway through my speech, so bear with me i...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member feel that the issue of how many people use the buses is entirely within Government control, or does he feel that there are other factors?
Jamie Greene Con
It is not entirely within Government control. Clearly, there are various reasons why people may or may not use a service. Does it take them from where they a...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Scottish Greens for bringing this important issue to the chamber. The need for real change in Scotland’s buses is clear for everyone to see. Muc...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I thank John Finnie and the Green Party for raising the issue of better buses. Like the Greens, the Liberal Democrats believe that reversing the decline in b...
Humza Yousaf SNP
That is twice today.
Mike Rumbles LD
I am coming to that. Do not get a heart attack. However—there is always a “however”—I want to use this debate to highlight the important issue of ensuring t...
Jamie Greene Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike Rumbles LD
I am in my final minute. I would take an intervention if I had more time, but I cannot do so, unfortunately. I am getting a nod from the Presiding Officer. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. We are very pushed for time, so I ask members to stick strictly to four minutes, please. I am sorry, Mr Ruskell—you have five mi...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We can all agree that bus services make a big contribution to the economic, environmental and social sustainability of our tow...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are in your final minute, Mr Ruskell; it is your choice.
Mark Ruskell Green
I am very tight for time—oh, go on then. Why not?
Liam Kerr Con
I will be brief. The member is making an important point, but nowhere in the Green Party motion is there a reference to anything to do with the environment. ...
Mark Ruskell Green
The environment is integral to what constitutes a quality public service. That is the point that I am trying to make. Environmental quality is hugely importa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Mason, to be followed by Peter Chapman. You have a strict four minutes, Mr Mason. 15:15
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I should probably declare that I have had a bus pass since last summer and I have saved somewhere in the region of £150 since then. I generally prefer to use...
John Finnie Green
Politics is about priorities. If our priority is to spend £6 billion on two roads, we will not have money for public transport.
John Mason SNP
I accept that politics is about priorities, but if we put more money into buses and public transport, there will be less money somewhere else. As I said, al...