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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 March 2018

28 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Services

I recognise the latter point. On the member’s first point, I hope that my amendment improves on his motion, because it makes it more explicit and clear that it is perhaps better for services to be determined at the local level. The member referred to Lothian Buses. When I speak to people across the country, some see the Lothian Buses model as attractive, but many others do not feel that it would be the right model to choose.

It is not for central Government to dictate how people should get around or how transport authorities should help them to do so, but we want authorities to have the right tools. The upcoming transport bill will give local authorities the tools that they need to—we hope—increase patronage. Our proposed new partnership model is being developed to give a statutory framework for transport authorities and bus operators to work together on a legally backed agreement without the cumbersome burden that some of the current mechanisms place on them.

At the heart of our proposals is local franchising, which I know a number of local authorities are interested in. We must ensure that the appropriate checks and balances are in place, but I see and hear a lot of excitement about that proposal, and I am keen to hear member’s views on it.

Another proposal is to give local authorities the right to run their own municipally owned bus companies. We want to remove the legal dubiety about whether local authorities have that power. Most recently, Aberdeen City Council wrote to me on that issue, because of its clear interest. If people look at the current local factors with regard to Aberdeen’s bus service, they will see why that power would be of interest to the council. That will be at the heart of our proposals in the transport bill, as will open data and smart ticketing.

However, legislation will not be a silver bullet. We need local authorities to take up the options that are available to them at present. Low-emission zones will certainly be part of that, and I will talk more about our plans for LEZs when I sum up. I have heard what the Greens have said about Glasgow’s proposals not going far enough, and others have said that to me, too. I will proactively pass that feedback to Glasgow City Council, which is not yet at the end of its process.

Other legislative tools are already in local authorities’ hands. If I take Glasgow as an example again, the council has the ability to tackle on-street parking with traffic regulation orders. We know that an element of congestion is due to the level of on-street car parking, particularly in our city centres. Local authorities already have tools to tackle that issue. We will provide a legislative solution with the upcoming transport bill, on which I look forward to hearing members’ thoughts, but on the other hand, local authorities already have tools in the toolbox that could make a huge difference.

On funding, we provide more than £0.25 billion of support for bus services, as well as free bus travel for older and disabled passengers. We always work in conjunction and collaboratively with the bus industry to see where we can target and improve that funding.

We all agree on the scale of the challenge. We might disagree about how we increase patronage—frankly, how we get more bums on seats—on our cleaner and greener buses. However, we certainly all want to get to the same outcome, and I look forward to hearing what members have to say about how we achieve that.

I move amendment S5M-11289.2, to leave out from “coordinated” to end and insert:

“partnership working at national and local level is needed to deliver cheaper fares, more routes and reliable services to make buses a practical option for more people and communities across Scotland; further believes that the forthcoming transport bill is a key opportunity to set the framework for transport authorities and bus operators to work together to reverse the decline in bus usage; considers that the bill will give local authorities the flexibility to pursue partnership working, local franchising or running their own buses, allowing them to better respond to local needs, and further considers that the proposed new statutory partnership model should allow transport authorities to set their own objectives for the good of their communities.”

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-11289, in the name of John Finnie, on better buses. 14:41
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
Here is a bit of background to the debate: in 1984, the United Kingdom Government published a white paper entitled “Buses”—good title. That resulted in the T...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Mr Finnie is in his last half minute.
John Finnie Green
Making this work will require clear ambition. It is fair to say that the solution will be different in different parts of the country. All of that can be acc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Humza Yousaf to speak to and move amendment S5M-11289.2. 14:49
The Minister for Transport and the Islands (Humza Yousaf) SNP
I welcome this important debate, which brings a focus to one of the key modes in our sustainable transport mix. Given that 75 to 80 per cent of all public tr...
John Finnie Green
Will the minister acknowledge that I said that, although there would be a target, it could be applied differently in different areas? In the central belt, th...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I recognise the latter point. On the member’s first point, I hope that my amendment improves on his motion, because it makes it more explicit and clear that ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jamie Greene to speak to and move amendment S5M-11289.3. 14:55
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will attempt to use my tablet but, the last time I did that, the battery ran out halfway through my speech, so bear with me i...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Does the member feel that the issue of how many people use the buses is entirely within Government control, or does he feel that there are other factors?
Jamie Greene Con
It is not entirely within Government control. Clearly, there are various reasons why people may or may not use a service. Does it take them from where they a...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the Scottish Greens for bringing this important issue to the chamber. The need for real change in Scotland’s buses is clear for everyone to see. Muc...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
I thank John Finnie and the Green Party for raising the issue of better buses. Like the Greens, the Liberal Democrats believe that reversing the decline in b...
Humza Yousaf SNP
That is twice today.
Mike Rumbles LD
I am coming to that. Do not get a heart attack. However—there is always a “however”—I want to use this debate to highlight the important issue of ensuring t...
Jamie Greene Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Mike Rumbles LD
I am in my final minute. I would take an intervention if I had more time, but I cannot do so, unfortunately. I am getting a nod from the Presiding Officer. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. We are very pushed for time, so I ask members to stick strictly to four minutes, please. I am sorry, Mr Ruskell—you have five mi...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. We can all agree that bus services make a big contribution to the economic, environmental and social sustainability of our tow...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You are in your final minute, Mr Ruskell; it is your choice.
Mark Ruskell Green
I am very tight for time—oh, go on then. Why not?
Liam Kerr Con
I will be brief. The member is making an important point, but nowhere in the Green Party motion is there a reference to anything to do with the environment. ...
Mark Ruskell Green
The environment is integral to what constitutes a quality public service. That is the point that I am trying to make. Environmental quality is hugely importa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call John Mason, to be followed by Peter Chapman. You have a strict four minutes, Mr Mason. 15:15
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
I should probably declare that I have had a bus pass since last summer and I have saved somewhere in the region of £150 since then. I generally prefer to use...
John Finnie Green
Politics is about priorities. If our priority is to spend £6 billion on two roads, we will not have money for public transport.
John Mason SNP
I accept that politics is about priorities, but if we put more money into buses and public transport, there will be less money somewhere else. As I said, al...