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Meeting of the Parliament 20 March 2018

20 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Like members across the Parliament, I support the bill’s ambition to promote the sustainable management of forestry and the management of land for sustainable development. Amendment 29 is intended to ensure that the individual provisions of the bill are underpinned by a clear statement of those ambitions.

There is always a risk that ambiguous wording or narrow analysis of passages in a bill will result in unintended or distorted interpretations. Amendment 29 would help to protect against that risk, by ensuring that elements of the bill could not be taken out of context or wilfully misunderstood. A purpose section is not unique; such sections exist in other Government legislation.

During stage 2, my colleague Rhoda Grant lodged an amendment that would have inserted a purpose section. The amendment was supported by the Greens at that stage. John Finnie said that the proposed new section was

“a worthwhile addition to the legislation that is in front of us.”—[Official Report, Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, 6 December 2017; c 3.]

Conservative member of the Scottish Parliament Jamie Greene said:

“in principle, we agree with Rhoda Grant’s suggestion that there should be an overarching purpose to the bill.”—[Official Report, Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, 6 December 2017; c 2.]

However, the Conservatives had concerns about the wording of the amendment, which they thought was “not sufficiently encompassing.”

Scottish National Party MSP John Mason said:

“A purpose section for a bill is an extremely good thing ... Such a section clarifies things and helps the courts to look at the spirit, rather than just the letter, of the law.”

He went on to say:

“However, like Jamie Greene, I have reservations about the wording of this particular purpose section.”—[Official Report, Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, 6 December 2017; c 2-3.]

The cabinet secretary said that he shared and applauded the sentiments of Rhoda Grant and John Finnie in proposing a purpose section, but he, too, expressed concern about the wording. I have therefore looked carefully at the wording of Rhoda Grant’s amendment, and I have amended it considerably to take account of members’ concerns.

I have no objection to amendment 31, in Fergus Ewing’s name, but it will not add a great deal to the bill, if anything—certainly it will not add an overarching purpose. Labour will support amendment 31, but I urge members to strengthen the bill by supporting amendment 29.

I move amendment 29.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Forestry and Land Management (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Amendment 29, in the name of Colin Smyth, is grouped with amendment 31.
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Like members across the Parliament, I support the bill’s ambition to promote the sustainable management of forestry and the management of land for sustainabl...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I share members’ ambitions for forestry in Scotland and I appreciate the good intentions of those who want to make clear our shared commitment to forestry an...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as a farmer and a partner in a farming business in the north-east, although we do not have any commercial woodland on our farm. I welc...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The Scottish Green Party will continue our support for this approach from Colin Smyth. It is important to see where it comes in the proposed legislation—obvi...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP) SNP
Briefly, I think that it is a good idea to have a purpose section in a bill. Ideally, it should be written out at the beginning of the process so that the re...
Colin Smyth Lab
Very briefly, I simply reiterate that the wording of the proposed purpose section underpins and does not put at risk the implementation of the individual sec...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 29 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. As this is the first division of the proceedings, I suspend the Parliament for five minutes to call members to the chamber. 14:33 ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the division on amendment 29. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Beamish, Claudia (South Scotla...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 33, Against 91, Abstentions 0. Amendment 29 disagreed to. Section 2—Duty to promote sustainable forest management
The Presiding Officer NPA
Amendment 30, in the name of Colin Smyth, is in a group on its own.
Colin Smyth Lab
Amendment 30 seeks to extend the bill’s proposed statutory duty to promote sustainable forest management from ministers to other public bodies. The duty that...
Peter Chapman Con
As the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee said in its stage 1 report: “The Committee recognises the benefits of sustainable forest management and agre...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I thank Colin Smyth for highlighting the fact that sustainable forest management is not just the responsibility of one part of Government. The need to mainst...
John Finnie Green
I support amendment 30. I listened intently to the cabinet secretary and everything centres around the words; Mr Smyth is encouraging a consistent approach a...
Colin Smyth Lab
The proposal in amendment 30 was a clear recommendation by the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee. It is consistent with provisions in other legislatio...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The question is, that amendment 30 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Presiding Officer NPA
There will be a division. For Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con) Ballantyne, ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
The result of the division is: For 63, Against 61, Abstentions 0. Amendment 30 agreed to. Section 3—Duty to prepare forestry strategy Amendment 31 moved...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Amendment 3, in the name of John Finnie, is grouped with amendments 41, 4, 32 to 37, 5 and 6.
John Finnie Green
During stages 1 and 2, the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee discussed the important issue of woodland creation and how the bill could best ensure tha...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Peter Chapman to speak to amendment 41 and the other amendments in the group.
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I will move amendment 41, in my name, which would require ministers to include planting targets in the forestry strategy. The main benefit that we want from ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Graeme Dey to speak to amendment 4 and the other amendments in the group.
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The bill includes an important new duty on Scottish ministers that has been welcomed by all parties and by stakeholders: namely, a statutory requirement to p...
The Presiding Officer NPA
Fulton MacGregor will speak to amendment 32 and the other amendments in the group.
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
This year’s parliamentary scrutiny of the forestry strategy was discussed during the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee’s consideration of the bill at ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Claudia Beamish to speak to amendment 33 and the other amendments in the group.