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Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2018

06 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additional Amount) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

There have been a number of heated debates and exchanges over the past of couple months, mainly over the budget and certainly between me and Mr Mackay. I want to make clear at the outset of this debate that I fully support the proposals that have been brought forward on the land and buildings transaction tax. I commend Mr Mackay for his approach in listening to stakeholders and to the issues that were raised by committee members—principally Murdo Fraser—and for bringing forward corrective action. It is very welcome.

The purpose of the land and buildings transaction tax was to levy a tax on those who purchase property. In the original legislation, the approach was to treat couples, including those in civil partnerships or who are cohabiting, as one domestic unit, in order to seek to ensure that people were not avoiding tax. That seemed a reasonable approach.

However, as other members have outlined, if people sought to claim relief from the ADS where they had purchased a property and sold one in the previous 18 months, they were caught by inconsistent treatment, which is against the principles of fair taxation. In addition to the changes that were introduced by order last year, the bill addresses, retrospectively, the position of those who were caught by the policy prior to May 2017, which, again, seems a reasonable approach. I am encouraged by the fact that the bill has been well supported by the stakeholders who engage on this issue, including the Law Society of Scotland and those who participate in the relevant forum.

The financial memorandum states that the bill will have a financial impact of between £655,000 and £1.55 million. Although that is a relatively small amount as regards the overall budget, it will have an impact on it and it will be interesting to learn from the cabinet secretary where that will be drawn from.

Some of the responses that were made to the consultation on the bill introduced other issues relating to how we, as a Parliament, might better manage taxation. It is right to look at such issues—particularly given that, as we now have increased tax powers, more such technical issues might come up and require to be tidied up. It seems reasonable to look at the idea of an annual taxation bill through which we can tidy up any unintended consequences.

The measure that we are debating today is a necessary one. I commend the work that has been done by the Finance and Constitution Committee’s members, witnesses and clerks. I also commend the cabinet secretary for introducing appropriate legislation to correct the loophole and ensure that those who have been caught unfairly by the way in which the original legislation was drafted can seek appropriate redress.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a stage 1 debate on motion S5M-10795, in the name of Derek Mackay, on the Land and Buildings Transaction Tax (Relief from Additi...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution (Derek Mackay) SNP
This is part 2 in this afternoon’s act. It will probably be a far more consensual debate than the previous one. It is a shame that Mr Simpson has departed fr...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome what the cabinet secretary has just said about group reliefs. I do not know whether he is familiar with the Law Society of Scotland briefing that w...
Derek Mackay SNP
I appreciate the intervention, but I do not want to give any views today that are wider than the purpose of the bill and further to what I have said already....
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bruce Crawford to speak on behalf of the Finance and Constitution Committee. 16:17
Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP) SNP
How long do I get, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Five minutes, Mr Crawford.
Bruce Crawford SNP
Okay. Thank you. It is my pleasure to speak as the convener of the Finance and Constitution Committee. I put on record my thanks to my fellow committee memb...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I start by reminding members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which shows that I am a member of the Law Society of Scotland. Following on ...
James Kelly (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
There have been a number of heated debates and exchanges over the past of couple months, mainly over the budget and certainly between me and Mr Mackay. I wan...
The Presiding Officer NPA
We move to the open debate. 16:32
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
The title of the bill may prove to be almost as long as the time that is taken to consider and approve it. As the cabinet secretary, the convener and members...
Bill Bowman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to my membership of the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland. I also...
Derek Mackay SNP
Is it not fair to reflect on the fact that the Parliament as a whole passed the legislation, and to acknowledge that the right thing for the Government to do...
Bill Bowman Con
The Parliament is doing the right thing, but there are issues around the method used in doing the right thing—that is what I am going to talk about. Revenu...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I support the bill. Like Bill Bowman, I am likely to repeat what other members have said. The cabinet secretary and others have set out the details of what ...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I draw members’ attention to my entry in the register of members’ interests with respect to rental of a property. I will keep my speech short and give you s...
Bruce Crawford SNP
Does Mr McKee agree that, with regard to an annual finance or tax bill, perhaps Bill Bowman should go off and read the report of the budget process review gr...
Ivan McKee SNP
That is exactly the point that I was going to raise next. We should welcome consideration of a finance bill and see whether that is possible. It is a shame t...
James Kelly Lab
Bill Bowman, Neil Bibby and Ivan McKee all expressed concern that they might be repeating some of the points that others had made, and they must feel sympath...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank my fellow committee members for the constructive conversations that we have had on the bill, and I look forward to continuing our work as we scrutini...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution to conclude the debate. 16:56
Derek Mackay SNP
Do I have until about 5 o’clock, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Yes.
Derek Mackay SNP
Thank you very much. I will conclude the debate briefly by answering a number of points that have been raised. I imagine that, of all the devolved taxes, th...