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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 06 March 2018

06 Mar 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Higher Education (Widening Access)

As I mentioned in my statement, I recognise that some people have concerns about displacement. I point Liz Smith to the fact that the commissioner for fair access has said that

“the available data is suggestive rather than conclusive”.

there is a fear of displacement, but displacement has not been proved in the statistics that we have. As I mentioned in my statement, there has been a 13 per cent increase in the number of students from the most deprived communities being accepted to university. At the same time, there has been an overall increase in the total number of Scottish students at university. That is something that we both can welcome.

I mentioned that there is no short cut for EU students—or for anyone else for that matter. I do not want us to get into a frame of mind in which we think that we will somehow widen access by hoping that enough places will become available and that Brexit—which we, certainly we in the SNP, do not want—will lead to changes in demand. I do not want universities to sit by and to hope and assume that they will get enough widening-access students because something else—the scale and extent of which we do not know—will happen.

There needs to be systemic change to encourage people from deprived communities to apply. I listened to Sir Peter Scott’s evidence to the committee and his discussions about success. As I said in my statement, I want to ensure that we achieve successful outcomes for the people who fill the widening-access places. By “successful outcomes”, I mean their making it to graduation day and securing good graduate jobs.

I appreciate that Sir Peter Scott discussed with the committee changes to how a student can get from one year to another, and whether the system needs to be more flexible. That is for universities to look into. When looking at what success is, we must acknowledge that success is the person achieving a good degree at the end of their time at university. That is why we are talking not just about people getting into university but about what happens after graduation day.

I have committed to working with Universities Scotland to ensure that it has information on what happens in individual schools and on academic achievement. However, I will say—the commissioner also made the point—that universities do not need that information in order to set minimum entry requirements, which are based on what students need to get through and to succeed in their degrees. That information might prove to be useful to universities in other avenues, but they do not need it. Universities need to get on with the job of moving on with contextualised admissions and minimum entry requirements. We cannot afford to wait another year for another round of data, and to see another round of students not having access to the university places to which they should have access.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Ken Macintosh) NPA
The next item of business is a statement by Shirley-Anne Somerville on widening access to higher education. The minister will take questions at the end of he...
The Minister for Further Education, Higher Education and Science (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
The minister will take questions.
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for the early sight of her statement. I have three areas of questioning. First, Sir Peter Scott said in his recommendations: “the fixe...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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Ruth Maguire (Cunninghame South) (SNP) SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Oliver Mundell (Dumfriesshire) (Con) Con
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Jenny Gilruth (Mid Fife and Glenrothes) (SNP) SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
As I said to Iain Gray, the Government will be responding to the recommendations of the review of student support in due course. We will look at the review t...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I, too, thank the minister for early sight of her statement. I met apprentices in Lerwick and Scalloway yesterday—no doubt, many other colleagues have met ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
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Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
I apologise to the four members who did not get in to ask a question, but I am afraid that we have run out of time. We have too many items of business this a...