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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 28 February 2018

28 Feb 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Early Years and Childcare

My judgment is that both are important, as I think that Mr Swinney agrees, but primarily this is about improved educational outcomes for children and addressing inequality. However, Audit Scotland makes clear that some decisions about how the policy is delivered have been based not on that view but on the view that it is about making it possible for parents to work.

The figures appear to suggest that most three and four-year-olds access funded hours, but Audit Scotland is clear that the effect of multiple registration makes those figures highly unreliable. Further, as Mr Johnson indicated a moment ago, only half of eligible two-year-olds are registered. The purpose of the policy is apparently to allow parents to work, but most parents tell Audit Scotland that the 600 hours has had a limited impact on their ability to work—I think that the minister acknowledged that in responding a moment ago to an intervention. That certainly reflects the research that the fair funding for our kids campaign has done, with parents repeatedly raising the issue of families being unable to access their entitlement because of inflexibility.

However, the Audit Scotland report saves its greatest concerns for the implementation of the new promise of 1,140 hours. The report identifies significant challenges and major risks, and points out that detailed planning should have started earlier than it did and that, even when it did start, councils were asked to plan in the absence of clear information that they needed from the Scottish Government. The report provides chapter and verse on risks around finance, infrastructure and workforce. On finance, as we have already heard, by 2021 there will be a £160 million black hole between the annual running costs estimated by councils and the finances promised so far by the Government. The story is the same for infrastructure but largely worse, with councils planning to spend £747 million on new accommodation and buildings but the Scottish Government currently proposing, indicatively at any rate, to provide not much more than half of that requirement.

However, the biggest challenges lie with the workforce. Councils estimate that they will need 12,000 full-time equivalent additional staff to deliver the policy, which is a 128 per cent increase. The truth is that the Scottish Government does not know where those staff are coming from. At First Minister’s question time last week, the First Minister reeled off what she said was her plan to deliver increased numbers of apprenticeships and graduate places, and we heard the minister repeat that plan today. However, the trouble is that those measures are right here in the Audit Scotland report but Audit Scotland simply concludes that they will provide only a very small number of the additional places needed—it is not enough. To be honest, the Scottish Government is to workforce planning what Eddie the Eagle is to ski jumping.

When the self-same First Minister was health secretary, she had a plan for the nursing workforce, did she not? What do we have now? We have a fourfold increase in unfilled nursing posts. In her top priority of education, she has managed the incredible outcome of losing 3,500 teacher posts and still creating a shortage of teachers and hundreds of unfilled vacancies. There is no rational reason or credible evidence to allow us to believe that the Scottish Government can find and train 12,000 early years workers to deliver its policy. That is what Audit Scotland tells us in the report in its always polite, courteous and understated way when it states:

“it is difficult to see how all the challenges can be overcome in the time available.”

The minister might be confident that he is going to reach agreement and resolve all the challenges, and that it is all going to be fine. However, Audit Scotland is telling him that it does not believe him. There is not enough revenue funding, not enough capital funding, not enough staff and not enough leadership from the Scottish Government to deliver its flagship policy. That is the wake-up call that the report delivers.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-10650, in the name of Michelle Ballantyne, on early years and childcare. 14:47
Michelle Ballantyne (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to bring the motion to the chamber. Early learning and childcare is one of the most important areas for any Government, ...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
If Michelle Ballantyne is seriously concerned about funding, will she say how her party would have funded the policy, given that there is going to be another...
Michelle Ballantyne Con
If Stuart McMillan had taken the time to read what our manifesto says about our approach, he would have found that we would not have gone about things in the...
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Maree Todd) SNP
I can absolutely understand why the member is concerned, because in England, where the Tories are in charge, the NDNA has said about the expansion process: ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is a good point, but it was a long intervention, so I will give you the time back, Ms Ballantyne.
Michelle Ballantyne Con
I have two points to make in response to that. If the minister, having read about the issue, feels that there are real issues south of the border, that shoul...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Maree Todd to speak to and move amendment S5M-10650.3. 15:02
The Minister for Childcare and Early Years (Maree Todd) SNP
The expansion of funded early learning and childcare will transform our children’s life chances. By 2020, we will provide all three and four-year-olds and el...
Michelle Ballantyne Con
Can the minister tell me how, and on the basis of what evidence, the Government is on track to deliver?
Maree Todd SNP
Audit Scotland has looked at the process at a point when there is still some distance between our figures and local authority figures. It is right and proper...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
No members deny that there are a lot of good things in the report, particularly on the Scottish Government’s strategic objectives. However, the Scottish Gove...
Maree Todd SNP
There is a huge body of evidence from around the world on how delivering such provision closes the attainment gap. Is Liz Smith suggesting that we wait longe...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
The feedback that I have been getting from parents is that childcare provision is inflexible. Does the minister agree that that inflexibility is preventing w...
Maree Todd SNP
The issue is that the number of hours is limited to 600, which is precisely why we are expanding the number to 1,140 hours. We are committed to fully fundin...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The minister made a point about the eligibility of two-year-olds. A quarter of two-year-olds are eligible for free childcare but, according to the Audit Scot...
Maree Todd SNP
There are a number of challenges involved in identifying the eligible two-year-olds and targeting the offering to their families. We are working with local a...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Maree Todd SNP
I am afraid that I am in my final minute. We estimate that the combined effect of that investment will have supported more than 2,000 additional practitione...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am currently giving speakers time back if they take interventions, but I warn members that there are only a few minutes left to spare. I am sorry to say th...
Iain Gray (East Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I expect to get the time back from your intervention—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Now, now. Never challenge or have a go at the chair.
Iain Gray Lab
There is a certain irony in our having this debate on a day when the childcare arrangements of families across most of Scotland have collapsed under the weig...
John Swinney SNP
I am interested in what Mr Gray thinks the Government should have done in identifying the purpose of the measure as being either to improve outcomes for chil...
Iain Gray Lab
My judgment is that both are important, as I think that Mr Swinney agrees, but primarily this is about improved educational outcomes for children and address...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You must conclude.
Iain Gray Lab
The Government should listen—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. Please conclude, Mr Gray—I am moving on.
Iain Gray Lab
The Government should listen and take urgent action.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You were given an extra minute and the clock did not start, in fact, until you stood up to speak, so I was quite generous. Oliver Mundell is next, to be foll...