Chamber
Meeting of the Parliament 20 February 2018
20 Feb 2018 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Rate Resolution 2018-19
That concludes the debate on the Scottish rate resolution. We will move shortly to the question on the motion.
Before I put the question, I advise members that, under rule 9.16.7, stage 3 proceedings on the Budget (Scotland) (No 2) Bill cannot begin unless the Scottish rate resolution is agreed to.
The question is, that motion S5M-10397, in the name of Derek Mackay, on the Scottish rate resolution, be agreed to. Are we agreed?
Members: No.
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Derek Mackay
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John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
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Murdo Fraser
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John Mason
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Murdo Fraser
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Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP)
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Will the member take an intervention?
Murdo Fraser
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Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green)
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Ivan McKee
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Will Murdo Fraser give way?
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Derek Mackay
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Bruce Crawford (Stirling) (SNP)
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Will the member give way?
James Kelly
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