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Meeting of the Parliament 20 December 2017

20 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

I declare an interest as a member of the British Veterinary Association.

I welcome today’s stage 3 debate, which marks a watershed moment. For years, there have been incremental improvements in welfare legislation to protect key freedoms and place responsibilities on animal keepers, but this is the first time that ethical reasons have been used alongside the welfare evidence to bring about a change, and that is welcome.

The bill fundamentally recognises that meeting basic welfare needs is not enough and that for a wild animal to be unable to display its natural behaviours for its entire life is unethical and unacceptable. The educational benefits of seeing wild animals in a travelling circus and the conservation benefits are non-existent. There might have been educational benefits in an age before the internet or TV, but we live in a different world in which the power and grace of a hunting tiger or the social intelligence of an elephant is displayed on prime-time TV or on the digital whiteboard of a school classroom.

Today, an important precedent is being set for anyone who is concerned about the rights of animals. and it begs the question about where we go next. I welcome the Government’s commitment to review further the regulations of all performance animals. It would have been better to have conducted the full review in advance of the introduction of the bill, as the Welsh Government did, with clear conclusions as to which animal performances to ban, regulate further or leave alone. The use of wild animals in travelling circuses is the starkest example of a practice that needs to be banned, but we should not have closed minds when it comes to reforming how domestic and wild animals are used in other performances, particularly in static circuses.

Although some members might poke fun at the idea of Christmas reindeer or birds of prey displays at garden centres being further regulated, I ask them to look at the evidence with an open mind. If there are welfare issues that need to be answered, why would we not want to regulate further?

I turn to the bill’s consideration at stage 2. It is clear that there were concerns about which animals should be included in the ban and about the definition of a circus. The fact that the cabinet secretary pointed out that there were omissions in John Scott’s amendment and my amendment suggested to me that there probably is a list of animals that the Government considers are captured by the ban but that the Government just does not want to include it in the bill.

However, the committee’s central argument that there needed to be greater definition has been acknowledged, and I welcome the fact that draft guidance has been produced by the Government and a commitment has been given that it will be finalised and introduced at the same time as the act is implemented.

I believe that officials have written out to stakeholders stating that the guidance cannot give a definitive interpretation of the law and that questions of interpretation are ultimately determined by the courts. I hope that we do not get to the point of a court test and that the eventual guidance proves adequate.

The bill is a further step in our journey towards having a society that respects and values animals. There are many more steps to take, but I look forward to approving the bill at decision time tonight.

16:11  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-09648, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to open this brief debate. At the outset, I thank all stakeholders who provided evidence and the committee members involved for their detailed a...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It has to be very brief, Mr Scott, as the cabinet secretary is over her time.
John Scott Con
Thank you. Will the guidance be issued timeously?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Yes, it will. I move, That the Parliament agrees that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill be passed. 15:48
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Here we are again, ringside, at stage 3 of the bill. In sincerity, I am delighted that, as we reach the end of what has been an eventful year in politics, we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I know that there is more of that to come. 15:52
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Labour will support the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at decision time. As a member of the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The road to the point at which, in less than a couple of hours, we will, I hope, pass the bill has been long, to say the least. It was 13 years ago that the ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In the stage 1 debate there were plenty of puns. My contribution will certainly not be as slick as Donald Cameron’s, but I ask members to bear with me, as it...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute to what I hope will be the next step in ending cruelty and distress inflicted on animals in travelling cir...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I declare an interest as a member of the British Veterinary Association. I welcome today’s stage 3 debate, which marks a watershed moment. For years, there ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As Mark Ruskell did, I declare that I am an honorary member of the BVA. Unlike most other speakers in the debate, I do not have the benefit of having sat thr...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that I speak for all members of the committee when I say that I am pleased to see the bill finally being put to sleep at the end of stage 3, not le...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the passing of the bill, which is, I hope, imminent. As the cabinet secretary stated, wild animals in circuses should not be a spect...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as an honorary member of the British Veterinary Association. Along with it, I welcome the passage of the bill. The BVA and the Scottis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Scott. I call Roseanna Cunningham to close for the Government. Cabinet secretary, you can have seven minutes if you want. You obviously do not—...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I will speak very slowly, Presiding Officer. I thank all the members who are here today and who have taken part in a lively, informed and very interesting d...
John Scott Con
Colin Smyth raised the matter of local authorities. Is the cabinet secretary optimistic that the amendments that she lodged at stage 2 and the guidance that ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We will continue to engage with stakeholders including COSLA. I thank the ever-gallant John Scott for his intervention, which helped to use up some time. I ...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I am at the limit of the time that I have for my closing speech. I ask members to support the motion and agree that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses ...