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Meeting of the Parliament 20 December 2017

20 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Cunningham, Roseanna SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

I will speak very slowly, Presiding Officer.

I thank all the members who are here today and who have taken part in a lively, informed and very interesting debate. The subject is of intrinsic interest even to those who may simply have wandered into the chamber or who are on chamber duty—as it is known—to listen to some of the concerns and issues, which people may not have thought were anything to do with this particular bill. A number of members commented on the fact that that is precisely the kind of thing that happens when a committee begins to unpack something that looks relatively straightforward on the surface. The minute that one begins to look at it with some care and detail, one understands that it is not as straightforward or as simple as it looked at first sight.

The debate has been constructive, as was the engagement all the way through the process, and it is a joy—sometimes a rare joy in a parliamentary set-up—to be able to say that. It reflects the concern that people have and demonstrates the extent to which we all agree on the importance and value of the good intentions behind the bill.

I have been struck today, as I was at stage 1, by members’ passion for this issue. However, I am grateful that they have looked beyond a purely emotional response, which would have been the easy approach, in order to fully unpack the practicalities around the proposed prohibition, some of which I dealt with in my opening speech. Those issues reflect the fact that this is not a fixed situation. I referred to llamas and alpacas in my opening speech, but that was not meant to be a joking reference. Those animals would have seemed exotic and wild to our parents’ generation but look like domesticated animals to us now. They have undergone a change in how they are viewed and treated and in how they live in our country.

I thank the Parliament and all the members of the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee—indeed, all the members of the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, too—for their constructive comments and invaluable support during the bill’s passage.

Furthermore, I thank all the organisations and stakeholders in the animal welfare sector and the circus industry, local authorities and representatives of our screen industry who made constructive contributions to the debate. I look forward to including them in continuing dialogue as we hopefully move forward to implement this landmark bill.

I cannot mention everyone, but I pay particular tribute to OneKind for lodging the petition that brought the issue of wild animals in circuses sharply back into focus in 2011 and to the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities for its continuing help to make the bill and the accompanying guidance fit for purpose.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-09648, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to open this brief debate. At the outset, I thank all stakeholders who provided evidence and the committee members involved for their detailed a...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It has to be very brief, Mr Scott, as the cabinet secretary is over her time.
John Scott Con
Thank you. Will the guidance be issued timeously?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Yes, it will. I move, That the Parliament agrees that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill be passed. 15:48
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Here we are again, ringside, at stage 3 of the bill. In sincerity, I am delighted that, as we reach the end of what has been an eventful year in politics, we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I know that there is more of that to come. 15:52
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Labour will support the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at decision time. As a member of the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The road to the point at which, in less than a couple of hours, we will, I hope, pass the bill has been long, to say the least. It was 13 years ago that the ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In the stage 1 debate there were plenty of puns. My contribution will certainly not be as slick as Donald Cameron’s, but I ask members to bear with me, as it...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute to what I hope will be the next step in ending cruelty and distress inflicted on animals in travelling cir...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I declare an interest as a member of the British Veterinary Association. I welcome today’s stage 3 debate, which marks a watershed moment. For years, there ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As Mark Ruskell did, I declare that I am an honorary member of the BVA. Unlike most other speakers in the debate, I do not have the benefit of having sat thr...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that I speak for all members of the committee when I say that I am pleased to see the bill finally being put to sleep at the end of stage 3, not le...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the passing of the bill, which is, I hope, imminent. As the cabinet secretary stated, wild animals in circuses should not be a spect...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as an honorary member of the British Veterinary Association. Along with it, I welcome the passage of the bill. The BVA and the Scottis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Scott. I call Roseanna Cunningham to close for the Government. Cabinet secretary, you can have seven minutes if you want. You obviously do not—...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I will speak very slowly, Presiding Officer. I thank all the members who are here today and who have taken part in a lively, informed and very interesting d...
John Scott Con
Colin Smyth raised the matter of local authorities. Is the cabinet secretary optimistic that the amendments that she lodged at stage 2 and the guidance that ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We will continue to engage with stakeholders including COSLA. I thank the ever-gallant John Scott for his intervention, which helped to use up some time. I ...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I am at the limit of the time that I have for my closing speech. I ask members to support the motion and agree that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses ...