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Meeting of the Parliament 20 December 2017

20 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Carson, Finlay Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

In the stage 1 debate there were plenty of puns. My contribution will certainly not be as slick as Donald Cameron’s, but I ask members to bear with me, as it will certainly not be irrelephant. Perhaps the Labour group should have been leading today’s debate, with the bill going through Parliament at a time when the only circus to look forward to is the next Labour leadership election. Since Kezia Dugdale’s trip to visit the wild animals in the jungle, she certainly has the koalafications.

However, as I have said previously, the light-hearted manner in which members across the chamber have approached this and previous debates in no way reflects the serious manner with which we have dealt with the bill, or indeed the importance with which the committee and my colleagues treat any subject relating to animal welfare.

The Scottish Conservatives supported the general principles of the bill at stage 1 and lodged amendments at stage 2, reflecting the commitment that my colleagues and I have to ensuring we have good laws to secure the highest standard of animal welfare. We support a ban on the use of wild animals in travelling circuses on ethical and welfare grounds by delivering robust legislation.

Across the chamber, we have heard of a number of concerns over the drafting of the bill, which we now believe the cabinet secretary has taken on board. Those concerns were chiefly around definitions of a wild animal and a travelling circus. Our concerns have always been founded on the desire to see the most effective legislation without either leaving wriggle room for those who would seek to continue to use wild animals in this type of activity or outlawing other types of activity that were never intended to be covered by the bill, including llamas and raptors at country fairs or even sheepdog trials. Vague definitions risked criminalising those who put on a show or event where animals have to be transported to the event, and that needed to be clarified.

The committee’s view was that the bill as introduced did not fully address the issues that it set out to cover and that it was at serious risk of capturing animal performances and shows that it may not have been intended to cover. The bill as amended should now not result in another piece of weak legislation from the Scottish Government that will fall down or be ineffective in the courts.

The fact that little time was spent exploring the use of the ethical argument behind the bill indicates that right across the chamber, whether on welfare or ethical grounds, we believe that public performances by wild animals are no longer acceptable. The debate surrounding the bill has largely centred on poor drafting and fears that it had the potential to fail in what it sets out to achieve. We on these benches believe that significant progress has been made and we will be supporting the bill this evening.

16:03  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-09648, in the name of Roseanna Cunningham, on the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform (Roseanna Cunningham) SNP
I am pleased to open this brief debate. At the outset, I thank all stakeholders who provided evidence and the committee members involved for their detailed a...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
It has to be very brief, Mr Scott, as the cabinet secretary is over her time.
John Scott Con
Thank you. Will the guidance be issued timeously?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
Yes, it will. I move, That the Parliament agrees that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill be passed. 15:48
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Here we are again, ringside, at stage 3 of the bill. In sincerity, I am delighted that, as we reach the end of what has been an eventful year in politics, we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I know that there is more of that to come. 15:52
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Labour will support the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses (Scotland) Bill at decision time. As a member of the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform...
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
The road to the point at which, in less than a couple of hours, we will, I hope, pass the bill has been long, to say the least. It was 13 years ago that the ...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
In the stage 1 debate there were plenty of puns. My contribution will certainly not be as slick as Donald Cameron’s, but I ask members to bear with me, as it...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to have the opportunity to contribute to what I hope will be the next step in ending cruelty and distress inflicted on animals in travelling cir...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I declare an interest as a member of the British Veterinary Association. I welcome today’s stage 3 debate, which marks a watershed moment. For years, there ...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
As Mark Ruskell did, I declare that I am an honorary member of the BVA. Unlike most other speakers in the debate, I do not have the benefit of having sat thr...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
I am sure that I speak for all members of the committee when I say that I am pleased to see the bill finally being put to sleep at the end of stage 3, not le...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour welcomes the passing of the bill, which is, I hope, imminent. As the cabinet secretary stated, wild animals in circuses should not be a spect...
John Scott (Ayr) (Con) Con
I declare an interest as an honorary member of the British Veterinary Association. Along with it, I welcome the passage of the bill. The BVA and the Scottis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Scott. I call Roseanna Cunningham to close for the Government. Cabinet secretary, you can have seven minutes if you want. You obviously do not—...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I will speak very slowly, Presiding Officer. I thank all the members who are here today and who have taken part in a lively, informed and very interesting d...
John Scott Con
Colin Smyth raised the matter of local authorities. Is the cabinet secretary optimistic that the amendments that she lodged at stage 2 and the guidance that ...
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
We will continue to engage with stakeholders including COSLA. I thank the ever-gallant John Scott for his intervention, which helped to use up some time. I ...
Mark Ruskell Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Roseanna Cunningham SNP
I am at the limit of the time that I have for my closing speech. I ask members to support the motion and agree that the Wild Animals in Travelling Circuses ...