Committee
Public Petitions Committee 07 December 2017
07 Dec 2017 · S5 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Cat Population (Management) (PE1674)
Ellie Stirling
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Thank you for the question. The approach that you have outlined—which could be summed up as the voluntary approach—is what I have relied on until recently. I and all my colleagues in front-line cat rescue have leant towards such an approach, which involves good advice and good veterinary intervention being taken on board by everyone who feels that they are a responsible cat owner. The trouble is that that voluntary approach seems to have gone as far as it can go. 10:30 The People’s Dispensary for Sick Animals and eight other pet organisations are members of the UK-wide cat population control group, which produces a report each year that is a snapshot of cat ownership. Until the past two or three years, the group has been reporting a nudging up in the rate at which cat owners are getting their cats neutered, but that has now stalled. In 2016, we reached a 93 per cent neutered rate UK wide; it is back down to 90 per cent this year. The results are from a YouGov opinion poll, and those of you who are scientifically minded know that opinion polls measure public opinion; they do not go out and count cats. There is a huge difference. The people who sit at home, put their name on a panel and say that they are happy to be consulted by YouGov and answer its questions are connected up to the world. The people I meet are not connected up in that way, so the number of unneutered cats is probably hugely underestimated. It is worrying that the voluntary approach has gone as far as it can go. The front-line cat rescue workers I meet confirm that. The people who do not have their cats neutered are perhaps socially marginalised and live without social resources such as email, or networks in which friends and family would encourage them to have their cats neutered. They may have lots of other social problems. I do not want to blame those people, but if we do not bring them on board, vets tell us that we risk a huge explosion—that is not my word—of the cat population, which brings with it the potential for an increase in unvaccinated cats. Most cats are unvaccinated, even the neutered ones, and feline diseases run rife when there is overpopulation. We are putting the neutered pet cats at risk—yours and mine at home are at risk because of the actions of the few people who do not yet neuter. I thought hard about this and I thought about the people who smoked in public places until we reached the point where we said that it affects the health of us all, because we all breathe the smoke. A similar argument applies to people who are not neutering their cats. It is not just their cats that are suffering—and they are suffering; if you want to ask me later about any of the conditions, I will happily tell you—it increases the risks for the other 90 per cent of cats as a result of disease transmission. There are still territorial fights, and cats that are wandering.
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The Convener
Lab
Agenda item 2 is on new petition PE1674, on managing the cat population in Scotland, which was lodged by Ellie Stirling. The petition calls for a review of t...
Ellie Stirling
It is a privilege to have this opportunity and I really appreciate it. The committee’s consideration of my petition represents a change of tack from the prev...
The Convener
Lab
Thank you. I invite ask Angus MacDonald to open the questioning.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
In your submission, you say that you have written to the Scottish Government, the cabinet secretary, the cross-party group on animal welfare and your regiona...
Ellie Stirling
I have written three times to the Cabinet Secretary for the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform and received responses from the animal welfare sectio...
Angus MacDonald
SNP
The figures in your submission are quite staggering. With 400,000 feral cats, and with 286,000 kittens being born every year, we can see the reason for the o...
Michelle Ballantyne
Con
I have to say that I am a bit shocked. I did not know all this information about cats so the petition made for interesting reading. You said that ownership ...
Ellie Stirling
When I did the research earlier this year, I was also quite stunned to find that definition. Because cats, dogs and farmed animals are all classified as non-...
Michelle Ballantyne
Con
How would breeders and showers be dealt with under that arrangement? Would they have to be specially licensed?
Ellie Stirling
I have not worked in those areas of licensing, but there would be nothing to stop a person being a breeder of cats. There is no compulsion to not breed. Some...
Brian Whittle
Con
In the petition, you say that you believe that a new approach is required because 10 per cent of cat owners do not have their cats neutered, despite appeals ...
Ellie Stirling
Thank you for the question. The approach that you have outlined—which could be summed up as the voluntary approach—is what I have relied on until recently. I...
Brian Whittle
Con
Is there the possibility of compulsory registration, not just of pet cats but of pet animals?
Ellie Stirling
I would suggest something similar to dog microchipping. All dogs now have to be microchipped and the microchip is registered on a managed database. If you ar...
Rona Mackay
SNP
I should declare an interest. I am a member of the cross-party group in the Scottish Parliament on animal welfare. I follow on the questioning from my colle...
Ellie Stirling
People in Government, quite genuinely, have not had time to process the statistics. I was shocked by the statistics and you have said that you were too. I ha...
Rona Mackay
SNP
Briefly, I ask for clarification on a second point. In the second part of your submission, you include a proposal from Anna Meredith from Scottish Wildcat Ac...
Ellie Stirling
I should say that I made a typing error in my submission. Professor Anna Meredith is the professor of zoological and conservation medicine at the University ...
Rona Mackay
SNP
Thank you—that clears up that matter.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
You have listed five things—they are in the petition, so I will not list them—that you would like to see happen through any review of the code of practice. H...
Ellie Stirling
I am not sure that I follow you.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
I am talking about the five items that relate to the code of practice—the native range guidance associated with the Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotlan...
Ellie Stirling
Yes, please.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Number 1 is that a neutered cat should be defined as being under human control and exempt from NNS legislation. Are you with me now?
Ellie Stirling
Thank you. I have got it now—that is at the bottom of the second page of my petition. What would you like me to explain?
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Will you explain how you would like to see the five asks happen through any review of the code of practice?
Ellie Stirling
You want to know about the practicalities of how all that would be done.
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Yes, and whether you have considered the cost of enforcement.
Ellie Stirling
Right. We have possibly already covered number 1. There could be a simple redefinition in the code of practice so that an owned cat is defined not as being u...
Angus MacDonald
SNP
Of course, it is not just Scotland that has the wildcat. Are you aware of any other countries in northern Europe that have a similar problem? Have any countr...