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Public Petitions Committee 07 December 2017

07 Dec 2017 · S5 · Public Petitions Committee
Item of business
New Petitions
Cat Population (Management) (PE1674)
Ellie Stirling Watch on SPTV
When I did the research earlier this year, I was also quite stunned to find that definition. Because cats, dogs and farmed animals are all classified as non-native species, that general term “under human control” is applied to them all. Farm stock, horses and other sorts of kept animals can be fenced in as a simple way of keeping them under human control. If you kept a horse and a tree fell down and broke the fencing and the horse escaped, under the legislation and the code of practice, you might be open to criminal prosecution for not maintaining your fencing or not checking it. Because it is a strict liability offence, the responsibility would be on you to demonstrate that you had checked the fence the day before and it was perfectly all right, but there was a storm overnight. With dogs, there is human control involving leads, training and what have you; with cats, as Michelle Ballantyne alluded to, it is different. Everyone who has read my petition has said to me—front-line, war-weary cat rescue volunteers all say this, too—that cats are not under human control in the way that dogs are. You cannot just call them and expect that they will come back. Only a few cats are under human control in that way. Cat behaviour varies along a continuum. There are welfare issues, whereby cats cannot legally be contained in the way that a horse can be contained. Cats cannot be fenced or shut in—if they were, that would rightly be a welfare issue. For me, for veterinary professionals and for conservationists, as well as for cat owners—or 90 per cent of them, at least—the middle-of-the-road solution is neutering, because if a cat is neutered, it will be free of hormonally driven behaviour, such as wandering, roaming and territorial fighting, which leads to the transmission of disease. For female cats, neutering will free them from producing two to three litters a year of five kittens each, which is a ticket to early death as well as to not coming back, because cats move out and colonise new areas when they produce young. I have suggested a simple change to the definition of “under human control” in the code of practice. Instead of saying that animals that are under human control are “expected to return”, which is a subjective judgment, the definition should be objective and pragmatic and should relate to something that can be observed, touched, felt or measured. It would be sensible for the definition of a cat that is “under human control” to be a cat that is neutered. If a cat is neutered, that will satisfy the vast majority of cat lovers, every vet professional and every member of the public who does not like cats—people who do not like cats do not want to have 60 living next door to them. It seems to be a middle-of-the-road requirement to have a cat neutered. That way, it would be regarded as being under human control.

In the same item of business

The Convener Lab
Agenda item 2 is on new petition PE1674, on managing the cat population in Scotland, which was lodged by Ellie Stirling. The petition calls for a review of t...
Ellie Stirling
It is a privilege to have this opportunity and I really appreciate it. The committee’s consideration of my petition represents a change of tack from the prev...
The Convener Lab
Thank you. I invite ask Angus MacDonald to open the questioning.
Angus MacDonald SNP
In your submission, you say that you have written to the Scottish Government, the cabinet secretary, the cross-party group on animal welfare and your regiona...
Ellie Stirling
I have written three times to the Cabinet Secretary for the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform and received responses from the animal welfare sectio...
Angus MacDonald SNP
The figures in your submission are quite staggering. With 400,000 feral cats, and with 286,000 kittens being born every year, we can see the reason for the o...
Michelle Ballantyne Con
I have to say that I am a bit shocked. I did not know all this information about cats so the petition made for interesting reading. You said that ownership ...
Ellie Stirling
When I did the research earlier this year, I was also quite stunned to find that definition. Because cats, dogs and farmed animals are all classified as non-...
Michelle Ballantyne Con
How would breeders and showers be dealt with under that arrangement? Would they have to be specially licensed?
Ellie Stirling
I have not worked in those areas of licensing, but there would be nothing to stop a person being a breeder of cats. There is no compulsion to not breed. Some...
Brian Whittle Con
In the petition, you say that you believe that a new approach is required because 10 per cent of cat owners do not have their cats neutered, despite appeals ...
Ellie Stirling
Thank you for the question. The approach that you have outlined—which could be summed up as the voluntary approach—is what I have relied on until recently. I...
Brian Whittle Con
Is there the possibility of compulsory registration, not just of pet cats but of pet animals?
Ellie Stirling
I would suggest something similar to dog microchipping. All dogs now have to be microchipped and the microchip is registered on a managed database. If you ar...
Rona Mackay SNP
I should declare an interest. I am a member of the cross-party group in the Scottish Parliament on animal welfare. I follow on the questioning from my colle...
Ellie Stirling
People in Government, quite genuinely, have not had time to process the statistics. I was shocked by the statistics and you have said that you were too. I ha...
Rona Mackay SNP
Briefly, I ask for clarification on a second point. In the second part of your submission, you include a proposal from Anna Meredith from Scottish Wildcat Ac...
Ellie Stirling
I should say that I made a typing error in my submission. Professor Anna Meredith is the professor of zoological and conservation medicine at the University ...
Rona Mackay SNP
Thank you—that clears up that matter.
Angus MacDonald SNP
You have listed five things—they are in the petition, so I will not list them—that you would like to see happen through any review of the code of practice. H...
Ellie Stirling
I am not sure that I follow you.
Angus MacDonald SNP
I am talking about the five items that relate to the code of practice—the native range guidance associated with the Wildlife and Natural Environment (Scotlan...
Ellie Stirling
Yes, please.
Angus MacDonald SNP
Number 1 is that a neutered cat should be defined as being under human control and exempt from NNS legislation. Are you with me now?
Ellie Stirling
Thank you. I have got it now—that is at the bottom of the second page of my petition. What would you like me to explain?
Angus MacDonald SNP
Will you explain how you would like to see the five asks happen through any review of the code of practice?
Ellie Stirling
You want to know about the practicalities of how all that would be done.
Angus MacDonald SNP
Yes, and whether you have considered the cost of enforcement.
Ellie Stirling
Right. We have possibly already covered number 1. There could be a simple redefinition in the code of practice so that an owned cat is defined not as being u...
Angus MacDonald SNP
Of course, it is not just Scotland that has the wildcat. Are you aware of any other countries in northern Europe that have a similar problem? Have any countr...