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Meeting of the Parliament 07 December 2017

07 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sea Fisheries and End-year Negotiations
Ruskell, Mark Green Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

As is the Holyrood tradition, I, too, wish the cabinet secretary good luck in the forthcoming December talks. It is always the culmination of a long and very involved stakeholder process across Europe, and having spent a brief spell as a member of the North Western Waters Advisory Council, I recognise the toil involved in spending many months poring over stock assessments in windowless meeting rooms in Brussels. Of course, we do not know what the arrangements in bilateral and multilateral agreements will be post-2019, and nor do we know what common UK frameworks will emerge from the UK fisheries bill. However, whatever machinery of negotiation we end up with, the hard-won principles around sustainability must endure post-Brexit.

It is absolutely clear that nature demands that we do not fish beyond the capacity of a species to reproduce itself, which is why the principle of maximum sustainable yield needs to be embedded. Alongside that, the key European principle of the precautionary approach must be retained, and it is essential that we hold back from levels of fishing effort that could tip stocks into serious decline. Stock recovery plans will always cause fishers pain, but preventing collapse through precautionary action is the best up-front course we can take. With regard to this year’s negotiations, will the cabinet secretary be pushing for the science to be followed on all stocks to ensure that we meet our MSY 2020 obligations? If he does not support the advice on some stocks, he needs, in the interests of transparency, to set out in more detail than he has today his reasons for not doing so.

A number of members have reflected on the fact that in the EU we have turned the corner on overfishing. Just a few years ago, nearly three quarters of stocks had been dangerously fished out; the figure today is less than half, but there is still a long way to go. A commitment is needed to ensure that scientific advice and limits are actually reflected in fishing practice on the water. Discarded fish may not contribute to business balance sheets, but they have a big impact on ecology, so a discard ban needs to be enforced. Illicit discarding also undermines the very stock assessments that fishers, conservationists and Governments need confidence in to make the right decisions, leading to a downward spiral of overfishing and further declines in stock health—a point that Rhoda Grant reflected on.

Eliminating discards on the six key whitefish species would clearly add economic benefit, with estimates showing that the additional value of landings in Scotland could bring in an extra £28 million a year by 2020. It is worth investing in developing the selective gear and techniques to avoid non-target species and Scotland has a good track record in leading those conservation approaches over many years, but we should now also be leading the way in monitoring. At present, less than 1 per cent of fishing activity is monitored at sea. That will change, obviously, and Scotland has the opportunity to lead that race to the top in verifying the quality and sustainability of our produce through remote electronic monitoring cameras on our boats.

I note the cabinet secretary’s response to my earlier question. I would like to hear in his closing speech whether he would support remote electronic monitoring on all boats over 10m long, because the data that we can gather through electronic monitoring will not only ensure that we make the best use of limited budgets for compliance, but it will also help to deliver some of the science needed for more accurate stock assessments that benefit everyone, including the industry.

Science also tells us where key habitats and species thrive and how we can save and enhance them through marine protected areas. By enhancing spawning grounds, we protect the parts that lead to greater productivity and resilience overall, which is essential in an age of real and growing threats from climate change. Boldness is needed from the Scottish Government in completing the MPA network set out by Scottish Natural Heritage three years ago.

I turn briefly to the post-Brexit picture—a subject on which we have already heard many contributions in this debate. The fishing lobby in Scotland and the UK want to take back control of the exclusive economic areas of the UK’s seas and unpick fishing rights held by other countries, some of which pre-date our entry to the European Union. The question is at what cost that could be done and whether it would actually result in any more fish being landed. The United Nations laws of the sea require states to allow access to surplus fishing quota based on historical use and it is unlikely that the EU would want to strike a deal with the UK without preserving some access to those historical catches. If the UK ignored that, what would the impact be on trade?

We are in a position in which the vast majority of what is caught in our waters is sold to Europe, as we have heard from many members, while the tastes of our domestic markets rely heavily on the nets of Greenland, Iceland and Norway, so unravelling and separating access to markets and fishing areas would be highly problematic. If the UK decided just to walk away from deals, that could be disastrous, leading parties to ignore the science and go back to the unsustainable levels of catch that we saw during the mackerel wars, alongside all the sanctions and port prohibitions that that brought.

That is why we need a debate on both fisheries and agriculture that focuses on what the public interest actually is and what public goods those sectors can deliver. What replaces the European marine fisheries fund in a post-Brexit UK fisheries policy remains to be seen, but to deliver public goods it must be focused on science and technological innovation to deliver healthy stocks and an industry that serves the needs of communities, rather than a small handful of quota barons.

16:08  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-09406, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on sea fisheries and end-year negotiations. 15:02
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I am pleased to open our annual fisheries debate by welcoming the broad consensus across the Parliament in support of the motion. We go into the year-end ta...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I understand that a number of the smaller boats that fish inshore are worried about the increasing costs of licences. Is the Scottish Government aware of tha...
Fergus Ewing SNP
That issue has been raised on a number of occasions on which I have visited several of the smaller fishermen. I am therefore recommending that, with immediat...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Does the cabinet secretary acknowledge that remote electronic monitoring is an important part of our toolbox?
Fergus Ewing SNP
There are many tools, and I accept that monitoring and the use of TVs and so on increasingly form part of the overall approach to sustainable fishing. Electr...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad to lead off the debate for the Scottish Conservatives today. Since the Brexit vote in June 2016, the fishing industry has been extremely positive a...
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Peter Chapman Con
Absolutely.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is the member telling us that we can retrieve only those parts of the fishery out to 200 miles that are fished by other states with their permission? He seem...
Peter Chapman Con
That is not what I said. It is correct that we will control the fishery zone out to 200 miles but we will also work with our partners. Nobody is saying that,...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I feel that it is like the end of an era. Some of us, including Lewis Macdonald and, indeed, Fergus Ewing, have been here from the early days of these fishin...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
This debate is an annual event ahead of the fisheries negotiations with the European Union. The Norwegian talks that concluded at the weekend have been reaso...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Speeches of six minutes, please. 15:37
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Not every MSP attends the fishing debates. My first speech in Parliament in June 2001 was on the subject of fishing, just as my 716th today is on the subject...
Peter Chapman Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
In his response to my intervention on the subject, Mr Chapman provided no meaningful answer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Please sit down, Mr Chapman.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
We have to get 100 per cent control over our waters out to 200 miles. I welcome the hint—or perhaps it was more than a hint—that the London convention will b...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. I remind members to use full names when referring to other members in the chamber. I call Liam Kerr, to be followed by Emma Harper. 15:44
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Here we are again at the annual series of bilateral, trilateral and multilateral summits that determine next year’s fishing quotas for EU, Norwegian, Faroese...
Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Mr Chapman did not lay out the reason for the specific detail in the Conservative amendment in his opening speech. Can the member enlighten us?
Liam Kerr Con
Very briefly, it is to narrow down in the motion the specific political issues that others could raise—if it were not made clear, those might not be a consid...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand for interventions—preferably not from a sedentary position. 15:50
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
I remind the chamber that I am the parliamentary liaison officer for the Cabinet Secretary for the Rural Economy and Connectivity. I welcome the Scottish Go...
Liam Kerr Con
Does the member recognise that 10 of the top 20 export countries for UK fish are outwith the European Union?
Emma Harper SNP
Yes, but the EU is still our biggest market so, although there are export countries outwith the EU, we should not negate other opportunities as we proceed. ...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
As is the Holyrood tradition, I, too, wish the cabinet secretary good luck in the forthcoming December talks. It is always the culmination of a long and very...
Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
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