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Meeting of the Parliament 07 December 2017

07 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Sea Fisheries and End-year Negotiations
Grant, Rhoda Lab Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

This debate is an annual event ahead of the fisheries negotiations with the European Union. The Norwegian talks that concluded at the weekend have been reasonably successful and that augurs well for the forthcoming talks with the EU.

The fishing industry is doing well, which is a good backdrop to the talks. Fish stocks have recovered and there are plenty of fish to catch. Fishing is also more profitable because of the weak pound, which means that exports of fish are bringing more pounds home. As they say, it is an ill wind.

It feels like a long time since the fishing industry was in such buoyant mood. We should not forget the painful decisions that were taken in the past and the real hardship in the industry at that time. However, it looks as though it has paid off. The lesson that we must learn is that we take fish stocks for granted at our peril. We must farm the seas and tend them to ensure that we never face the cliff edges of the past again.

Whether inside or outside the EU, discussions on the control of stocks have to be held with our neighbours as fish respect no borders, and it is only if we work together that we will ensure healthy stocks in the future. The talks could well be our last as members of the common fisheries policy for the full term of the negotiating period, as the next negotiations will be for the year that we are due to leave the European Union. I hope that the parameters for post-Brexit discussions on fisheries management will be in place by then so that those talks can be meaningful.

With our fishing industry so buoyant, it would be good to take stock and to plan strategically for the future. Where will our European exports enter into Europe? How will we ensure the least possible delay for fresh seafood if we are not in a customs union? Are there new markets that we should be exploring and targeting?

The European Union is currently the world’s largest single fisheries market. In 2015, the UK exported more than £900 million-worth of fish and fish products to the European Union, which is almost 70 per cent of total UK exports for the sector. If Scotland is to continue to trade effectively with that market, it is vital that, in future, our seafood industry at least meets, if not improves on, EU standards. We have led the way in the past and we should continue to do so in the future.

For the protection of our islands’ fishing industries, we need to ensure that freight costs are island proofed and that there is sufficient freight transport available. It will not matter how big our catch is if we cannot get it to market. Tavish Scott mentioned that there is a looming capacity problem in Shetland, and that must be addressed now so that we are ready for the future.

The main issue that needs to be dealt with at the negotiations is the landing obligation and choke species. Although the landing obligation is currently going well, it will become more difficult when it extends to species in mixed fisheries. To ensure that boats do not flout it, the regime has to be workable. It should not lead to boats being tied up for a prolonged period of time when they cannot fish due to a lack of quota for choke species. There surely must be a way of ensuring that all the fish that are caught are landed, while also making it unattractive to target choke species that are at or beyond their allowed quota.

Before the landing obligation was in place, if fish were caught for which a boat did not have quota, they went back over the side. Let us be clear that that must not happen again. The fish were already dead. When so many people go without enough food, such waste is immoral. It does not conserve stocks, either, because the fish are already dead when they are returned to the sea. Discards do nothing for over-quota species or, indeed, the environment. At best, they provide an easy meal for seabirds and other predators.

If illicit fishing does occur, the result will be unaccounted-for mortality, which will undermine confidence in stock assessments and, in turn, in quotas themselves. That could result in overfishing and a decline in stock, with knock-on negative impacts on fisheries. We need a workable landing obligation policy and not one that stops fishermen working and so causes hardship—not just to those at sea but to processors on land. We need a policy that allows bycatch to be landed and used and that neither punishes nor rewards the boats that inadvertently catch the fish. Landing bycatch should not be profitable, but there is a risk that it will be, especially if the species caught is in short supply and there is high customer demand. There must be a way of allowing a boat enough profit to land the bycatch but not enough to make the catch attractive to target. That way, it will not be wasted.

We must also invest more in science and technology to find ways of fishing more selectively in mixed fisheries, which will allow effort to be much more targeted. Technology is advancing to enable gear to fish more selectively, but it needs much more investment to help to avoid choke species altogether, which is obviously the best option for us all.

These debates happen every year and this year, despite Brexit, they are as important as ever. Our coastal communities are vulnerable and need a stable industry for their survival. It is not just the crews and boats that depend on the industry; processors and workers onshore do, too. We all want the very best deal for our fishing industry. We want a deal that ensures that, while stocks are protected for future generations, the current generation can make a living and we can all have fish to eat.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S5M-09406, in the name of Fergus Ewing, on sea fisheries and end-year negotiations. 15:02
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Economy and Connectivity (Fergus Ewing) SNP
I am pleased to open our annual fisheries debate by welcoming the broad consensus across the Parliament in support of the motion. We go into the year-end ta...
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I understand that a number of the smaller boats that fish inshore are worried about the increasing costs of licences. Is the Scottish Government aware of tha...
Fergus Ewing SNP
That issue has been raised on a number of occasions on which I have visited several of the smaller fishermen. I am therefore recommending that, with immediat...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Does the cabinet secretary acknowledge that remote electronic monitoring is an important part of our toolbox?
Fergus Ewing SNP
There are many tools, and I accept that monitoring and the use of TVs and so on increasingly form part of the overall approach to sustainable fishing. Electr...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Stewart Stevenson SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Peter Chapman Con
Absolutely.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
Is the member telling us that we can retrieve only those parts of the fishery out to 200 miles that are fished by other states with their permission? He seem...
Peter Chapman Con
That is not what I said. It is correct that we will control the fishery zone out to 200 miles but we will also work with our partners. Nobody is saying that,...
Tavish Scott (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
I feel that it is like the end of an era. Some of us, including Lewis Macdonald and, indeed, Fergus Ewing, have been here from the early days of these fishin...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. Speeches of six minutes, please. 15:37
Stewart Stevenson (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Not every MSP attends the fishing debates. My first speech in Parliament in June 2001 was on the subject of fishing, just as my 716th today is on the subject...
Peter Chapman Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Stewart Stevenson SNP
In his response to my intervention on the subject, Mr Chapman provided no meaningful answer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
Please sit down, Mr Chapman.
Stewart Stevenson SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. I remind members to use full names when referring to other members in the chamber. I call Liam Kerr, to be followed by Emma Harper. 15:44
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Lewis Macdonald (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Mr Chapman did not lay out the reason for the specific detail in the Conservative amendment in his opening speech. Can the member enlighten us?
Liam Kerr Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time in hand for interventions—preferably not from a sedentary position. 15:50
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
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Liam Kerr Con
Does the member recognise that 10 of the top 20 export countries for UK fish are outwith the European Union?
Emma Harper SNP
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Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
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Angus MacDonald (Falkirk East) (SNP) SNP
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