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Meeting of the Parliament 07 December 2017

07 Dec 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Air Quality (Low-emission Zones)

I will do my best to answer the nine questions that I managed to note down.

I have to confess at the very beginning that I have no further information on the diffusion tube issue that David Stewart raised with me and the cabinet secretary a couple of days ago, but my officials are hoping to write to him with an important answer to what is an important question. I also want very much to recognise on the record Mr Stewart’s work on and ambitions for low-emission zones. He has banged the drum on the issue for many years now.

I will try to address some of the questions as best I can. I told the committee of which David Stewart is a member that the Government realises that we will have to be partners in funding and resourcing low-emission zones. As I said in my statement, we are a week away from the spending review, and I would certainly not attempt to pre-empt that. However, the Government understands that we have to step up and put our money where our mouth is, and that conversation is on-going with Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Dundee. Of course, we want the local authority to put resources into the zones, too.

I will also do my best to answer the member’s questions about enforcement. There is no suggestion from the other low-emission zones that have been introduced across the United Kingdom, particularly that in London, that enforcement began from day 1 of their introduction. If my memory serves me correctly, the evidence that the committee received from London made a very good point about why enforcement needed a phased approach or some lead-in time. There is a sensible argument to be made in that respect.

The flipside of that is that we must ensure that the timeline does not run away from us. We want enforceable LEZs as soon as is practicably and pragmatically possible, given the outcomes that they can achieve. Of course, a successful LEZ is one where no fines are being racked up and people are complying with the designated zone.

With regard to enforcement through number plate recognition, again, it will be for the local authority to come forward with what it thinks is the most appropriate infrastructure. David Stewart and I are probably at one in feeling that we should not talk about doing LEZs on the cheap. When it comes to designating and enforcing zones, we should be striving to have the latest and best technology and to do something that Scotland can lead on, while, of course, giving consideration to the budgetary constraints that we are under. I know that Glasgow and Edinburgh are exploring number plate recognition, but I cannot give a definitive answer as to whether they have settled on one piece of enforcement infrastructure.

As for the question whether things should be measured on a per vehicle or per passenger basis, internationally recognised air quality measurements, particularly on nitrogen oxide and particulate matter, are the driving force and the criteria to be met in existing air quality management areas or local air quality strategies. As a result, we are not necessarily looking at measuring things on a per vehicle or per passenger basis. However, I should say that the bus industry has made the absolutely reasonable point that the more bums on seats that we have on buses and the fewer that we have in cars, the better that will be for everybody. Indeed, it will be a win-win, and I think that buses are absolutely part of the solution.

On the question about legislation, we certainly believe that the legislation already exists for some elements of LEZ enforcement. I can tell David Stewart that if we think that there is any legislative requirement for other elements—as we think there might be; I can give him some more details about that later on—we will bring that forward in the transport bill that we have committed to introducing.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Linda Fabiani) SNP
The next item of business is a statement by Humza Yousaf on improving Scotland’s air quality and putting in place Scotland’s low-emission zones.
The Minister for Transport and the Islands (Humza Yousaf) SNP
Clean air is essential for our health and wellbeing. Overall, Scotland’s air quality is good, but we know that areas of poorer air quality still exist in som...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister will now take questions on the issues that have been raised in his statement. I will allow about 20 minutes for that.
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank the minister for prior sight of his statement, although, with the greatest respect, I say that there was nothing in his 10-minute statement that we d...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, I can. I have the greatest respect for Jamie Greene and he knows that. It is only right and proper that we come to Parliament, not just with detail—I re...
David Stewart (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I thank the minister for advance sight of his statement. Labour welcomes the lowering of emissions as a strategy for improving air quality in Scotland. As th...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I will do my best to answer the nine questions that I managed to note down. I have to confess at the very beginning that I have no further information on th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I can see already that we are not going to get through all the questions, so it is up to members and the minister to have quicker questions and answers, please.
Graeme Dey (Angus South) (SNP) SNP
Just over 360 buses have been replaced through the green bus fund, and in evidence to the Environment, Climate Change and Land Reform Committee earlier this ...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I cannot give Mr Dey an exact number and I would not try to hazard a guess, but he is right to say that the £16 million-plus that we have spent on the green ...
Donald Cameron (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The minister mentioned the FSB’s concerns, and he will accept that residents and small businesses will be worried about the short timescales that he outlined...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Donald Cameron will have heard from my answer to his colleague Jamie Greene that I welcomed the FSB’s contribution. I look forward to meeting representatives...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
Concerns have been raised in my constituency by, among others, Cambuslang community council about air pollution in Cambuslang Main Street in particular. Alth...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Clare Haughey will be aware that, as well as committing to introducing low-emission zones in the four largest cities by 2020, we are also committed to introd...
Claudia Beamish (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The minister referred in his statement to the potential for LEZs to have unintended secondary effects. I welcome the £1.6 million funding for the bus abateme...
Humza Yousaf SNP
The member is absolutely right, and let me put on record that I recognise her interest in the issue, on which she has campaigned. She is right to mention dis...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Notwithstanding the answer to that previous question, the minister’s statement identifies that only 47 buses went through the previous round—round seven—of t...
Humza Yousaf SNP
For the sake of brevity, my answer is that that is absolutely the case. We have made significant progress, but we understand that, when it comes to the intro...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I too, thank the minister for early sight of his statement. He refers to the ambition to expand the electric charging vehicle network, which I very much supp...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I acknowledge the member’s interest in the issue. We have met on many occasions to discuss electric vehicles. Orkney is a leader when it comes to the take-up...
Maurice Golden (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Urban consolidation hubs can enhance low-emission zones by reducing business costs, helping to standardise freight traffic and tackling congestion and pollut...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I acknowledge the member’s persistence on the issue of freight consolidation centres; I have met him to discuss them before. There is much evidence to sugges...
Ivan McKee (Glasgow Provan) (SNP) SNP
I am glad that the minister’s statement has a significant focus on modal shift from private to public transport but, clearly, there is a risk that there will...
Humza Yousaf SNP
I do not disagree with Ivan McKee; he is absolutely right. The introduction of a low emission zone has to be coupled with better and more affordable public t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That is the end of questions on the statement. My apologies to those I was unable to call.