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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 09 November 2017

09 Nov 2017 · S5 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Seat Belts on School Transport (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3
Grahame, Christine SNP Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale Watch on SPTV

There will be a division.

For

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Arthur, Tom (Renfrewshire South) (SNP)
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Con)
Ballantyne, Michelle (South Scotland) (Con)
Beamish, Claudia (South Scotland) (Lab)
Beattie, Colin (Midlothian North and Musselburgh) (SNP)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Bowman, Bill (North East Scotland) (Con)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Burnett, Alexander (Aberdeenshire West) (Con)
Cameron, Donald (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Campbell, Aileen (Clydesdale) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Chapman, Peter (North East Scotland) (Con)
Coffey, Willie (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Corry, Maurice (West Scotland) (Con)
Crawford, Bruce (Stirling) (SNP)
Cunningham, Roseanna (Perthshire South and Kinross-shire) (SNP)
Davidson, Ruth (Edinburgh Central) (Con)
Denham, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (SNP)
Dey, Graeme (Angus South) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP)
Fabiani, Linda (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Fee, Mary (West Scotland) (Lab)
Finnie, John (Highlands and Islands) (Green)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Freeman, Jeane (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP)
Gibson, Kenneth (Cunninghame North) (SNP)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Gray, Iain (East Lothian) (Lab)
Greene, Jamie (West Scotland) (Con)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Hamilton, Rachael (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con)
Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)
Harvie, Patrick (Glasgow) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Johnstone, Alison (Lothian) (Green)
Kelly, James (Glasgow) (Lab)
Kerr, Liam (North East Scotland) (Con)
Kidd, Bill (Glasgow Anniesland) (SNP)
Lamont, Johann (Glasgow) (Lab)
Lennon, Monica (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Lindhurst, Gordon (Lothian) (Con)
Lochhead, Richard (Moray) (SNP)
Lockhart, Dean (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Lyle, Richard (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP)
MacDonald, Angus (Falkirk East) (SNP)
Macdonald, Lewis (North East Scotland) (Lab)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Mackay, Derek (Renfrewshire North and West) (SNP)
Mackay, Rona (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP)
Macpherson, Ben (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Martin, Gillian (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (SNP)
McAlpine, Joan (South Scotland) (SNP)
McKee, Ivan (Glasgow Provan) (SNP)
Mitchell, Margaret (Central Scotland) (Con)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Neil, Alex (Airdrie and Shotts) (SNP)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Robison, Shona (Dundee City East) (SNP)
Ross, Gail (Caithness, Sutherland and Ross) (SNP)
Rumbles, Mike (North East Scotland) (LD)
Ruskell, Mark (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green)
Scott, John (Ayr) (Con)
Smith, Elaine (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Smyth, Colin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Somerville, Shirley-Anne (Dunfermline) (SNP)
Stevenson, Stewart (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stewart, David (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Stewart, Kevin (Aberdeen Central) (SNP)
Todd, Maree (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Tomkins, Adam (Glasgow) (Con)
Torrance, David (Kirkcaldy) (SNP)
Watt, Maureen (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
Wheelhouse, Paul (South Scotland) (SNP)
White, Sandra (Glasgow Kelvin) (SNP)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wightman, Andy (Lothian) (Green)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP)

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Christine Grahame) SNP
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Seat Belts on School Transport (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Group 1 is on commencement of section 1 duty. Amendment 1, in the name of Gillian Martin, is grouped with amendment 2.
Gillian Martin (Aberdeenshire East) (SNP) SNP
The legislative measures in the bill have been arrived at using a partnership approach. The Scottish Government and I have consulted and listened. I am sure ...
Mike Rumbles (North East Scotland) (LD) LD
Throughout the first two stages of the bill, when both officials and the Minister for Transport and the Islands appeared before the committee, I and other me...
John Finnie (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
We do not live in a perfect world. If we lived in a perfect world, we would not need this legislation, which is pragmatic, as are amendments 1 and 2. As Mike...
Peter Chapman (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am glad that, at stage 2, my amendment to bring forward the date for the requirement of seat belts on secondary school buses was agreed to. However, Gillia...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I find myself in the same place as Peter Chapman in that I am unable to support amendment 2. During the committee’s scrutiny, we heard that the financial cos...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Yes, it is up to you and Gillian Martin.
Gillian Martin SNP
I am happy to intervene. Mr Mountain asked about the costs, but I am unable to give an answer on that. What I have to clarify, though, is his statement that ...
Edward Mountain Con
I thank the member for that answer, but this is the problem that we have met right the way through the scrutiny process: no exact costs can be given. The mem...
Edward Mountain Con
I am sorry—members might sigh, but I feel this personally and I believe that the people of Scotland will feel the same as I do on the matter, so please do no...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I think that we all agree that the bill is a good thing and that seat belts should be fitted on school buses as soon as possible. However, we are concerned t...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the member know, with regard to the current financial memorandum and the numbers that have been given to us in the Rural Economy and Connectivity Commit...
Rhoda Grant Lab
The evidence that we received in the committee was that the money indicated in the financial memorandum was to be distributed to councils under the normal fo...
The Minister for Transport and the Islands (Humza Yousaf) SNP
As members are aware, there is some history to the measures that we are debating. As Ms Martin said, they came about following the devolution of competence o...
Mike Rumbles LD
This is a contentious point. Throughout stage 1 and stage 2, other members of the committee and I asked repeatedly how many councils had contracts in place a...
Humza Yousaf SNP
Yes, of course I will reflect on that. I get the point that the member is making. We have a good constructive relationship with our partners in local authori...
Jamie Greene Con
The minister talked about the glaring consequences of bringing forward the implementation of the legislation, but no one in the chamber has heard the specifi...
Humza Yousaf SNP
The costs are in the financial memorandum, but if the member is asking specifically about the cost of breaking contracts, I have to say that, if the contract...
Edward Mountain Con
Will the minister give way?
Humza Yousaf SNP
Let me make some progress. I agree with the sentiment that has been expressed by members, including Mr Chapman and Mr Mountain, that all of us in the chambe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Gillian Martin to wind up and press or withdraw amendment 1.
Gillian Martin SNP
I move my amendment—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
No. You need to wind up and then tell the chamber whether you are pressing or withdrawing your amendment. I was trying to be helpful, but I obviously confuse...
Gillian Martin SNP
As you will know, Presiding Officer, this is the first time I have done this. I would like to press amendment 1. I do not need to make a winding-up speech.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 1 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division and, as this is the first division at stage 3, I will suspend the meeting for five minutes. 15:25 Meeting suspended. 15:31 On resu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The question is, that amendment 1 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There will be a division. For Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP) Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) Art...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The result of the division is: For 98, Against 0, Abstentions 0. Amendment 1 agreed to. Section 4—Annual compliance statement